Dogs in cafes etc

[Dogscanteatonions]

I love dogs but I'm utterly fed up of them being cafes pubs restaurants shops etc, partly because I am allergic and partly because so many are poory behaved

However in the last week I've seen:

A man at the bar in a pub with his dog on the bar stool next to him with its paws up on the actual bar

A photo on the Facebook account of a favourite bar/ restaurant of a big hairy dog lying on one of the sofas - I'd have an allergic reaction if I sat on furniture right after a dog had been in it.

And to top it off yesterday I was in a cafe and the table next to me had a puppy which peed on the floor profusely which they halfheartedly mopped up with just a tissue from a pocket and didn't even tell staff so they could properly clean it. This was right next to serving counter.

I know a huge amount of people on Mumsnet are crazy pro dogs but I defy anyone to defend this. How do people think this is ok??

Aibu to think you should keep your dogs off furniture in these places and that you have an obligation to ensure its cleaned up properly if your 3 dog messes?

'Starbucks, costa even the big shopping outlet'

Don't know where you live but I have never seen anything other than a guide dog in any of our city's Costas, Starbucks or shopping centres. Most shops don't allow dog in either, and I don't come across people trying to bring their dogs into shops with them either,

'It isn't something dog owners need to worry about, they are just doing what is allowed not what someone with a phobia deems 'should be' be allowed.'

This is fair enough if it is a known clearly stipulated dog friendly cafe. Other places where dogs are running up to people etc is unacceptable and ignorant of the owners.

Ok so humans are more unhygienic than dogs.

Good luck finding a human free eatery you can pop into…. While you wander around looking for one I’ll be lunching in the cafe that allows dogs.

'This is fair enough if it is a known clearly stipulated dog friendly cafe. Other places where dogs are running up to people etc is unacceptable and ignorant of the owners'

Well, yeah but OP is complaining about dogs that are being allowed in dog friendly places. So that's not revel ant. Presumably somewhere that doesn't allow dogs would have the manager telling someone that they can't bring their dog in.

Adults are just as capable of spreading germs

And yet they don’t. Same as dogs.

This.

This to be honest. A lot of people are much filthier than a dog would ever be.

'I also think some dog owners can't understand or are oblivious to the fact that some people are scared of dogs. Patting the dog or feeding it biscuits as "look it's friendly" isn't going to cure a genuine fear. It is acceptable to fear Spiders, snakes and have other fears, but dogs seems to be not allowed.'

I understand that some people are scared of dogs. But the onus is on the person scared of them to avoid them, not for all pet owners to behave as if every person they come across is terrified of their animal.

DW is scared of spiders. Avoids them and I get rid of any visible ones in the house. But I'm not actively searching for them and trying to create a spider free world for her. It's her irrational fear, she's knows it and she works around it.

YANBU.

Dogs simply should not be in pubs and cafes.

Yawn. It makes more commercial sense to allow dogs than not. There are more people who want to visit with their dog, than there are people who won’t go because there’s a dog.

'Dogs simply should not be in pubs and cafes.'

Think of all those country pubs and cafe's in parks, near beaches etc that wouldn't exist without dog walkers going there all year round rather than just in summer and on Boxing Day...

-understand that some people are scared of dogs. But the onus is on the person scared of them to avoid them, not for all pet owners to behave as if every person they come across is terrified of their animal.'

I get that but how can they if the dog is running free, jumping up at them etc? I'm sure those scared of dogs would avoid dog friendly cafes if clearly stipulated.

Without outing myself my dog is unable to be left alone for no more then a few minutes - my dog has 24/7 care which is why if the opportunity for our dog to come to a dog friendly establishment pops up we take it.

Also my dog isn’t treated like a prince/princess they are dog, they are trained and are not allowed on the furniture in our home so definitely not out. They also do not approach anyone unless invited to.
Its a very small number of bad dog owners that do allow this kind of unacceptable behaviour.

You're wrong.
I've seen people changing nappies full of baby poo on pub dining tables and throw the dirty nappy on the floor and leave it there.
I've seen people with muddy shoes with feet up on the opposite chair.
Seen kids picking noses and wiping it under the table.
Families leaving a table with sugar,salt,pepper rubbed into the table, sauce and bits of food strewn everywhere.
Chewing gum thrown on floor or spat out.
I would prefer a dog any day to a human.🐕🐶🐾🐾

'I get that but how can they if the dog is running free, jumping up at them etc? I'm sure those scared of dogs would avoid dog friendly cafes if clearly stipulated.'

I do frequent dog friendly places, with and without a dog, have yet to see a dog running free in a cafe, nor one pissing on the floor, sitting a the bar, frying bacon in the kitchen etc etc.

I don't think anyone thinks dogs should be rampaging through cafe's leaping a people - any more than kids should.

The number of people who are not happy with dogs being in pubs is small compared to the people who either take their dog or are not bothered if there is a well behaved dog there.
Owners of the these cafes/restaurants/pubs look at their target audience when making the decision to allow dogs, so if a place allows them it’s because they make more money by doing so.
We spent over £200 recently at a pub for Sunday lunch that allowed us to visit with our dog, we would have gone elsewhere had the dog not been allowed.

"Convenience" is not the same as "need" though. If your local shops didn't allow dogs, you'd have to take the dog home and go back for milk, or organise your time differently so that you could pick up the milk while running another errand.

It would be a cold day in hell before I re-routed a dog walk to pick up a pint of milk on my way home. My dog would rather be in a field than a shop any day. Each to their own, and while shops allow it, you're perfectly entitled to do it, but other people don't have to like it!

'Why do people feel the need to take their dogs everywhere? Can't the little princes/princesses stay at home alone for a few hours?'

Of course they can. But if we've gone out for the day, taking the kids for hike or fresh air somewhere, the likelyhood is we'll either pop in for some food or actually plan a big walk followed by a pub lunch.
Or maybe we'll be walking the dog at the beach and decide to have a cuppa, or bump into friends.
It's not like we're taking the dog on a night out at the theatre or the cinema... there are plenty of times where we leave the dog at home.
Also times though, where he's been on his own for the afternoon and we decided to do pub tea, so rather than leave him alone for another 2-3 hours we get him, walk him and take him with us as the local is 'paws on the ground' dog friendly.

Oh, I love it when a dog comes into my local Neros. It’s the people I can’t stand.

The original premise was anti-dog, and you are complaining that a bunch of people have come out with opposing views. You do know that the meaning of "debate" is between people with different views? If everyone agreed it wouldn't be a debate now, would it?

I am astonished at all these areas of the country where nwoeher excludes dogs. It makes me wonder where these nirvana's are, because when I'm out with my service dog and I far too often having to explain to people that the LAW says my dog is allowed in!

It's an economic decision. If you run a neighbourhood pub where lots of people have kids and dogs, then you're probably kid and dog friendly. And you probably offer food. And have a kids menu.
If you have a country pub in a village or area of beauty where people will come to walk with dogs and family, then again you'll probably welcome dogs. Because a lot of the non-regulars will be people who've come with their dog - and they come in all sorts of weather, because dogs need exercise even in rain, snow, sleet, wind...
If you're a city centre pub with a late licence that shows sports events on a big telly too, you probably focus on having DJs, music, events and want neither kids or dogs in your pub. And probably don't do more than bar snacks because you're after a big drinking, late night crowd.
And if you're a 'spoons you're probably trying to do it all, which is why they're always a bit crap!

I suppose what non-dog owners don't realise is that people with dogs consider them part of the family, and treat the accordingly.
Cats though, don't see the point of those at all...

Actually, there is in my city. The closest cafe to me... no under 13s on week days. Bliss.

Actually, there is in my city. The closest cafe to me... no under 13s on week days. Bliss.

Are you in the UK?

Do you realise how daft you sound saying that and then finishing with the cats statement?