To wonder how the strikes will end?

[Wingingit11]

This isn’t a thread about whether you agree with strikes as a concept or not (there have been soooo many) but to question how you think the strikes will end?! To me, the longer they go on, the less likely there is to be movement on either side ?

But this has gone on for far too long now IMO, bordering on attention seeking territory. THATS THE POINT

But I don’t think they will. I feel like the gov want to break the nhs so they can sell it off more quickly.
Reminds me of gov attitudes during the miners strikes.
They have sold the family silver and now the Crown Jewels are up for sale.

www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/monetary-policy-summary-and-minutes/2023/monetary-policy-summary-and-minutes-february-2023.pdf

Bank of England minutes from last week, showing they predict inflation to fall to 4% by the end of the year. Which from the Government’s perspective, means they can just sit it out.

35: As set out in the accompanying February Monetary Policy Report, the MPC’s updated projections showed CPI inflation falling back sharply from its current very elevated level, of 10.5% in December, in large part owing to past increases in energy and other goods prices falling out of the calculation of the annual rate. Annual CPI inflation was expected to fall to around 4% towards the end of this year, alongside a much shallower projected decline in output than in the November Report forecast.

We're at an impasse, the government aren't going to shift.

I think there'll continue to be periodic strikes until we hopefully have a change of government next year.

One thing the strikes have managed to show is just how uneducated Tory voters are. Give people a simplistic headline and they all trot away happy rather than trying to understand anything that actually happens around them.

The nhs is a poison chalice not a crown jewel

It’s a crown jewel to the people

You're hopeful! This shit show will get in again the voter's are too thick and racist to turn down the massive slogan the government keeps peddling " stop the boats" they are already using the same tactics they did for Brexit as they know that's what gets the votes. They only need to please the gammons.

No it really isn't.

Both parties seem to agree that the NHS needs reform. How long this might take is anyone's guess, but it has been an inefficient monolith for years, made worse by Covid.

The strikes will probably end in defeat when the public get fed up with the inconvenience. 😗

I think the main issue with the nurses is that they can earn more as agency staff and also cost more. Theoretically they could also do overtime to lessen the blow of days lost to strike action. They could go on indefinitely.

Teachers, I’m not sure about. I can’t see that particular course of action getting anywhere, to be honest.

I'm in a striking sector and I think it will only end when the government negotiate a fair, inflation linked pay deal that reflects the original salary value people signed up for.

Some sectors are experiencing a 20% pay drop. Its unsustainable for our emergency services, public sector, housing market and welfare system.

Hopefully the icing on the cake will be the permanent collapse of the 'us & them', corrupt contracts, seats in House of Lords. The Russian oligarch with a seat and the Michelle Mone fraud debacle shows the criminal side to UK fiscal management. Hopefully we will have full scale political system overhaul before 2030.

Figure is incorrect and deliberately misleading. Otherwise schools would not have needed to close!

Perhaps a strike and a march on downing Street? Perhaps it needs to intensify? The teachers strike in my area was a bust really no-one was effected we all had notice the secondary school closed but they all went to maccies year 6 was out again at McDonald's or roaming around town it simply effected no-one

@edwinbear I don't think the Govt can just wait 10 or 11 months for inflation to fall.
But i do think they will try and tough it out until the spring when strike mandates expire and perhaps new ones will be held under the min service levels laws going through parliament.

What will be more interesting/frightening is what will then happen? by then anger will be very high and would the Govt sack nhs staff or indeed rail workers if they then ignored these laws?

Only have to look at what happened with care staff when you try and put mandatory controls on people with threat of dismissal.

We could be forcing people to walk out, i don't mean on strike but just leave.

On privatisation, the Cons do not to privatise it, they want it gone.

A lot didn’t close though @TeamadIshbel

Many only partially opened, and I don’t know what the exact figures are, and I agree the DM have form for being deliberately misleading. Not sure where exact stats are re closure.

We accept that the public sector take unpaid days off now and then?

I doubt it will make much difference, given the quality and speed of most of their work.

Re NHS - What's the difference between a waiting list of 8,000,000 and 8,000,001?

Add in the pointlessness of a lot of public sector jobs.

Pay them or don't pay them - result will probably be more or less the same.

Nothing much will happen, they’ll peter out, I can’t see the gov’t compromising much and there’s so many industries striking now, they won’t meet one and not another.

Tbh, I think working from home has dampened the effects of strikes for many more well-off people (unless they need an ambulance etc). People can just stay at home if teachers, train drivers, civil servants strike. I’ve not heard anyone talking about the impact of them at all, here in the SE. Compare this to ten years ago when a tube strike would paralyse London; it’s very different now.

I think the strikes will end with a change in government, and that striking workers could use the days they are off to campaign for a Labour win.

Not to those it's failed for the past couple of decades.

That's the propaganda, but it's been wearing thin for a long time by now

In Scotland here and we’ve had teacher strikes specifically for a while now. There’s another 2 day full strike then rolling strike plan starting at the end of the month. I know a few teachers who have already decided to not take part as the quote simply can’t afford to keep going, they’re down over a weeks pay already.

I think the course will gradually shift as others make their own decisions on longer term affordability.

Nhs are due their yearly pay increase 1st April so if they offer something substantial that might end the strikes. They've been talking about 2% though and that won't end it.
Can't believe raik strikes are still going though its been ages. I really hope the workers win as I think we do need staff on trains and platforms to keep people safe (it isn't just about pay!)

Right then and so how do people pay their bills in the meantime?