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To be at wits end with DS?

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PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:09

This isn't an aibu but I've nowhere else to turn to.

My DS is 12, turning 13 this summer, and I am at my wits end. He is about 5ft3 and built - so not a small child - and this is relevant.

For as long as I can remember he will blow up over the smallest things. By blow up I mean shout, scream, throw things, refuse to do things and so on.
The older he's become the worse it has become - he can become verbally hurtful and aggressive, often 'squaring up' to adults but never getting physical.

He has refused to attend school because his hair won't sit the way he wants and there is nothing I can do. He is too big for me to move, I cannot drag him out the house. If he refuses then he refuses.

His attitude and behaviour to being asked to do things or when he is spoken to about how he speaks to others is disgusting. He shrugs, walks away, rolls his eyes, mimics etc and then eventually storms off.
He lies constantly to family and friends, sneaks food, takes care of nothing (constantly leaving platea and rubbish in his room, not putting clothes away, everything left at his bum).
He can be vile to his grandparents too.

At the weekend he threatened to leave the house because he was told he couldn't go out. I had to move away from the door and he barged out, no phone or jacket, and off he went. He eventually went to my parents house but my heart was in my mouth trying to track him down.

He's moved school recently (less than a month) and I have had 1 email, 1 phone call and a visit all because of his behaviour. He is a bright boy but this is being overlooked constantly.

We take his phone from him, we stop him going out with friends, we "ground" him essentially as a result of his actions and there is no change to his behaviour.

I feel like I'm constantly walking on egg shells. Just now he has tripped the fuse because he "needs" to straighten his hair before bed and then in the morning. His straighteners have stopped working as a result and he's already started the "I'm not going to school" tomorrow nonsense. I got a mouthful of abuse when I told him you don't need to do your hair before bed and in the morning.

We are all so done. The slightest thing and he kicks off ridiculously. We have consequences and they don't work. I am verbally abused every single day. I am scared he will snap one day and physically assault myself or his step-dad. I am scared he will run away from home.

I know that there has been some trauma, especially regarding his dad (not physical or sexual) and this may be resulting in some his behaviour. However this behaviour has also existed long before these issues.

We've told school but he isn't engaging with them.
We've approached the GP and they've just said it's not an issue.
At his choice he has no contact with his own dad.

I don't know what to do anymore. I'm convinced there is more to it than just being a horrible person but there is nowhere to go, no one to help.

I already know that tomorrow morning it's going to be awful and I can't face it.

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Sucessinthenewyear · 30/01/2023 22:11

What have you done so far since the start of the issues to help him to learn to deal with his emotions?

Dacadactyl · 30/01/2023 22:12

Have you calmly asked your son how he feels? And what the problem is? Don't do it on a school night, maybe at the weekend. Tell him calmly that his behaviour is unacceptable but that you know being a teenager is hard and that you want to help him by putting strategies in place to make things easier for him. Ask him what he thinks would help to manage his emotions.

Ring school and ask them to arrange for him to see the school counsellor or pastoral support worker.

shmiz · 30/01/2023 22:14

www.mumsnet.com/talk/teenagers/4646018-just-a-friendly-hand-hold-for-any-other-mums-of-teens?reply=120475022

come on over for some teen support -
teens can be assholes

PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:14

We've approached the GP and they turned us away.
We've tried to access CAMHs ourselves go no avail.
We've looked at private therapy (in case he needs to talk) and he has refused.

He has been offered counselling in school which he didn't engage with or take up.
He has been offered a place on a course designed to build confidence and he refused.

I've undertaken a First Aid Course for Youth Mental Health to help me under and engage, to no avail.

We've tried to carve out one on one time to spend with him and it doesn't seem to make a difference.

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cansu · 30/01/2023 22:15

I would say the only thing you can do is try to speak to him and address the consequences at times when he is not angry. When he is being unpleasant, walk away. You can maybe have a standard phrase to use. I can see that you are getting angry so I will leave you to calm yourself.

PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:16

My husband and myself have almost split because of the strain.
The youngest is watching him scream and demand constantly.

We've spoken to him, or tried, multiple times. He shrugs, doesn't open up, rolls his eyes, tells us to fuck off, threatens ro run away, is in our face etc.
Then within an hour he can be acting like nothing happened.

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Dacadactyl · 30/01/2023 22:19

What would happen if you told him he doesn't have a choice but to engage with the school counsellor? Like if you said "I am your mum and I love you and know what is best for you. I am telling you that you have to go to counselling because i can see that you need support and think you will benefit from it." Maybe offer to go with him and sit outside the room or inside with him, whatever he's comfortable with.

What would happen if you took his phone off him until he engaged? That would be my consequence if he refused to engage.

PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:21

Dacadactyl · 30/01/2023 22:19

What would happen if you told him he doesn't have a choice but to engage with the school counsellor? Like if you said "I am your mum and I love you and know what is best for you. I am telling you that you have to go to counselling because i can see that you need support and think you will benefit from it." Maybe offer to go with him and sit outside the room or inside with him, whatever he's comfortable with.

What would happen if you took his phone off him until he engaged? That would be my consequence if he refused to engage.

If I told him to engage? He would refuse to go in, swear at me, trash his room, scream and cry etc.

If I took his phone indefinitely? After this weekend i am genuinely terrified he'd leave the house again. It wasn't quite "running away" but wasn't far off it.

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Dacadactyl · 30/01/2023 22:24

Does his biological dad want to be involved? If so, why is DS refusing?

Lixon · 30/01/2023 22:25

I am not a parent of a teen yet but have read the explosive child recently by Ross Greene and quite a lot of this resonates so might be worth a look.

PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:25

Dacadactyl · 30/01/2023 22:24

Does his biological dad want to be involved? If so, why is DS refusing?

Yes and no.
He wants to be involved because DS doesn't want to see him.

He didn't want to be involved in his early childhood, or when he got a girlfriend, or when he moved to a 1 bed flat with his partner and DS couldn't stay.

He also wanted DS to lie for him about things.

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mynamesnotMa · 30/01/2023 22:26

Has he always been like this
Has it got worse since the change
Counselling only works if they want it
Why did camhs not see you?
What do you think is going on for him?

PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:26

Lixon · 30/01/2023 22:25

I am not a parent of a teen yet but have read the explosive child recently by Ross Greene and quite a lot of this resonates so might be worth a look.

Thank you.

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Dacadactyl · 30/01/2023 22:29

Oh dear. His dad is not a good influence then. And obviously your son has been affected by his dad's prior behaviour, poor lad.

What does he enjoy doing? What are his hobbies? I'm just thinking of ways you could possibly get him to engage initially with a counsellor. So if he wants to try a new hobby or do something he likes, the caveat is, he has to engage.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 30/01/2023 22:29

mynamesnotMa · 30/01/2023 22:26

Has he always been like this
Has it got worse since the change
Counselling only works if they want it
Why did camhs not see you?
What do you think is going on for him?

CAMHS in most (all?) parts of the country have very long waiting lists. Whilst OP's teen's behaviour isn't great and may speak to an underlying issue, CAMHS are only seeing the most mentally unwell children right now- generally those with severe anxiety that affects all aspects of daily life, or else those who are harming themselves in some way. And there are long waiting lists.

UniversalTruth · 30/01/2023 22:29

Yes to the suggestion of The Explosive Child - the author's main thing is that kids do well if they can. Something is stopping him from doing well, see if the book can help you all work out what it is.

Another tip I read is that it's easiest to have tricky conversations while you don't have to make eye contact - so maybe on a long drive, or a walk, and he might be able to open up a bit.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 30/01/2023 22:31

He's moved school recently (less than a month) and I have had 1 email, 1 phone call and a visit all because of his behaviour. He is a bright boy but this is being overlooked constantly.

This implies you think school should be doing something differently, but if he is behaving violently/in an intimidating way, or refusing to engage in class, then school has to deal with this.

He may be "bright" but if he's missing a lot of school then he won't be keeping up with the work in class, necessarily.

Does he square up to adults/kick off/damage school property?

What was the reason for the school move?

PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:32

mynamesnotMa · 30/01/2023 22:26

Has he always been like this
Has it got worse since the change
Counselling only works if they want it
Why did camhs not see you?
What do you think is going on for him?

  1. Yes he has.
  2. It has become worse as he gets older.
  3. CAMHS didn't view it as something they would class as urgent, necessary etc.
  4. That is the million dollar question.
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PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:37

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 30/01/2023 22:31

He's moved school recently (less than a month) and I have had 1 email, 1 phone call and a visit all because of his behaviour. He is a bright boy but this is being overlooked constantly.

This implies you think school should be doing something differently, but if he is behaving violently/in an intimidating way, or refusing to engage in class, then school has to deal with this.

He may be "bright" but if he's missing a lot of school then he won't be keeping up with the work in class, necessarily.

Does he square up to adults/kick off/damage school property?

What was the reason for the school move?

I'm not blaming the school. I teach, albeit primary (and I'm aware that I'm not coming off the best right now), and I have met children like my son.

I fully support the school. By "being bright but overlooked" I simply mean that he isn't putting his best self forward and thar teachers aren't seeing this due to his behaviour. He tests well, understands the subjects etc but his attitude and behaviour towards both staff and pupils is the focus, understandably.

He has never kicked off at school. He does speak back, roll his eyes, argue with peers in class etc. Which is completely unacceptable.

I moved him schools. Professionally and personally I was not happy with his previous school.

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parietal · 30/01/2023 22:37

what does he do for physical activity / sport? sometimes teen boys have too much physical energy and need to run / jump to get over emotion. just talking to a counsellor doesn't really help, they need the physicality. My brother used to get really angry as a kid and had to go out to run & get over it.

can he join a sports team? or a gym but a team or club is better because the social structure also helps kids learn to control emotions.

do you have space for a trampoline? Or can he have a safe running route that he can run 5 times around the block when he feels overwhelmed by stuff?

strongallowed · 30/01/2023 22:37

Any SEN? Or possible signs of?
My DS is similar - previously excluded many times when younger, school refused for a long time, explosive, rigid, can be incredibly defiant / rude. Many trashed rooms / storming out / violent outbursts etc. After many assessments and head scratching from the professionals he was actually autistic. He's like a different child now he goes to a specialist school and we parent him differently.

PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:40

Dacadactyl · 30/01/2023 22:29

Oh dear. His dad is not a good influence then. And obviously your son has been affected by his dad's prior behaviour, poor lad.

What does he enjoy doing? What are his hobbies? I'm just thinking of ways you could possibly get him to engage initially with a counsellor. So if he wants to try a new hobby or do something he likes, the caveat is, he has to engage.

He enjoys lots and we've tried to get him to engage, even without conditions, to no avail.

Enjoys art and got him enrolled at a great art programme. He refused to go in, after it was paid for.
Enjoys music and attended music tuition then wanted to quit as he needed to practise at home. He had additional lessons for another instrument in school but didn't want to take this up at home.
Enjoys photography and so we bought books, a good camera and looked at courses but he refused and now doesnt touch it.
Enjoys musical theatre but won't go to a class.
Enjoys horseriding but only wanted to go to private lessons at a particular stable - something we couldn't afford, especially with all the dropping out of other activities.

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PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:42

parietal · 30/01/2023 22:37

what does he do for physical activity / sport? sometimes teen boys have too much physical energy and need to run / jump to get over emotion. just talking to a counsellor doesn't really help, they need the physicality. My brother used to get really angry as a kid and had to go out to run & get over it.

can he join a sports team? or a gym but a team or club is better because the social structure also helps kids learn to control emotions.

do you have space for a trampoline? Or can he have a safe running route that he can run 5 times around the block when he feels overwhelmed by stuff?

He has a trampoline that doesn't get used.
Went to taekwondo and quit.
Went to swimming and quit.

Have offered all sorts - cycling, running, gymnastics, rugby, football, athletics, gym - and he has no interest.

We try to go walks and he complains and has no interest.

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RedHelenB · 30/01/2023 22:42

Dacadactyl · 30/01/2023 22:24

Does his biological dad want to be involved? If so, why is DS refusing?

This. Maybe say if he's not happy with you then does he want to stay with his Dad for a bit?

PixieAndProsecco · 30/01/2023 22:43

strongallowed · 30/01/2023 22:37

Any SEN? Or possible signs of?
My DS is similar - previously excluded many times when younger, school refused for a long time, explosive, rigid, can be incredibly defiant / rude. Many trashed rooms / storming out / violent outbursts etc. After many assessments and head scratching from the professionals he was actually autistic. He's like a different child now he goes to a specialist school and we parent him differently.

I have always thought ASD but every professional I've spoken to have refused to pursue it further.
The GP disagreed and didn't look any further at my worries.
School didn't do much as he didn't present there as a younger child.

I do tend to parent in the way I would teach ASD children, with no positive impact.

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