To think trans women don't belong in womens prisons for women

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Female identifying men don't belong in womens' prisons.

If they've been convicted of sexual or violent crimes, they should definitely be in a male prison.

If they've not been convicted of sexual or violent crime, they shouldn't be in prison at all but serve different types of punishments.

If they don't want to be in a male prison, don't commit the crime that sends them there. Is it that hard? Violent and sexual crime aren't things you do accidentally!

9 pages and this thread hasn't been moved to FWR? Wow, things are a-changing.

No penises in (female) prisons. It's not rocket science.

YANBU. Should not have to be said.

Agree. Men don't belong in women's spaces be that women's prisons, rape crisis centers, DV shelters, toilets etc.

Transwomen do not belong in womans spaces. Prison, hospital wards, toilets, or changing rooms.

Have a search on here about 8 year old boys with their mums posing the most incredible threat to girls in pool changing rooms.
Then think of them as 18 with a skirt and all should be great.
No sorry I don't think so.

Good point.

They don't even need to be 18.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10397305/Father-Loudoun-County-girl-raped-school-boy-skirt-relieved-sentenced.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11512735/Father-girl-raped-trans-friendly-toilet-slams-grand-jury-not-finding-school-responsible.html

I know I was ranting when I said 18.

But that's exactly the point, posters are regularly up in arms over Dads in the Ladies with his DDs or Boys in the Ladies with Mum It's a regular theme.

Yet put a skirt on and the females are meant to be good with it. No not ever.

As I said before Queen Nic probably never needs to venture near communal changing, has no kids to worry about and probably has a bouncer if she needs to enter service station loos.

Should lesbians/bisexual women not be allowed in female prisons if female prisoners have to shower in front of them? I don’t see why so many people are saying that cis female prisoners shouldn’t have to wash in front of a trans women simply because the trans woman could be attracted to them?

I agree with a PP that if a prisoner hasn’t committed a sexual/violent crime, then they shouldn’t be in prison. But fraudsters like Bernie Madoff should be in prison, so I have some exceptions.

As for trans women, they are women and deserve to be in female prisons since they may be at an higher chance of being attacked in a male prison.

”A 2007 study from the University of California, Irvine, found that incarcerated transgender people were 13 times more likely to be sexually assaulted than a random sample of incarcerated men. Fifty-nine percent of transgender prisoners reported having been sexually assaulted within a California correctional facility compared to just 4.4% of the incarcerated population as a whole.” amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/23/us/trans-women-incarceration/index.html

Now, if a trans woman has committed a violent/sexual crime, then I can see an argument being made that they shouldn’t be near women or small men. Still, what about violent cis female offenders? Some are bigger than others and can overtake smaller cis female prisoners. Should we just organize prisons by strength and size then?

Does Mument ever talk how often trans people are victims of violence? They face 4x as much violence as cis people: williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

Or are we happy to vilify and denigrate trans people?

Should lesbians/bisexual women not be allowed in female prisons if female prisoners have to shower in front of them? I don’t see why so many people are saying that cis female prisoners shouldn’t have to wash in front of a trans women simply because the trans woman could be attracted to them?

Lesbians and bisexual WOMEN don't have dicks. Neither (usually) the physical strength to overpower your average female and rape them.

Hope this helps :)

Can you explain what makes transwomen women, @danascully96?

I wondered when the deeply offensive homophobic trope of what about lesbians? would be wheeled out, congratulations @danascully96 for being the first on this thread to do so.

One can rape without a penis and even cis women can have different strength capabilities?

Idk what makes someone trans — that’s TBD among scholars. I don’t pretend there aren’t questions still to answer about transness. I do know there is notable research stating that trans brains are more like their gender identity than their sex, though.

”The pattern of brain activation in both transgender adolescent boys and girls more closely resembled that of non-transgender boys and girls of their desired gender. In addition, GD adolescent girls showed a male-typical brain activation pattern during a visual/spatial memory exercise. Finally, some brain structural changes were detected that were also more similar, but not identical, to those typical of the desired gender of GD boys and girls.”

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

Should lesbians/bisexual women not be allowed in female prisons if female prisoners have to shower in front of them?

Lesbians and bisexual women are women.

Just the same as Gay and bisexual men are men.

They belong in the correct single sex spaces as their sex.

Transphobes getting shocked that their arguments can support homophobia 😮

Rape requires a penis.

Do you want your mother washed and stuff by a bloke in a pair of pink leggings?

It's cute that you think anyone on this thread will feel offended when you call us thansphobic :) I honestly could not care less. Call me whatever. I am on the side of science and truth. if that makes me a transphobe to you, so be it.

You are the one being homophobic, but then again the whole Gender Identity Ideology is awash with homophobia so it comes as no surprise.

You mean, like the homophobic idea that gay men and lesbians can be trained into finding opposite sex people attractive (aka conversion therapy)?

Incidentally, what's homophobic about ensuring women aren't incarcerated with men?

It's homophobic of you, Dana, to suggest that lesbians are:

• as likely to be sex offenders as men are
• somehow 'not-women' in the same way male people are not-women.

Give over.

The pattern of brain activation in both transgender adolescent boys and girls more closely resembled that of non-transgender boys and girls of their desired gender.

So? What does that matter? Seriously, why do brainwave patterns matter or specifically, 'response to a pheromone known to produce gender-specific activity' when splitting up the sexes?

(Betcha they originally measured 'response to a pheromone known to produce gender-specific activity' by dividing the groups by sex, not gender.)

One can rape without a penis and even cis women can have different strength capabilities?

Not according to the UK Legal Definition of Rape on the Statute Books.

There is no such thing as a 'cis' woman.

Are you really wheeling out the 'lady brain' trope that has been comprehensively proven to be an absolute load of tosh?

All your links are from the US @danascully96 it may surprise you to note that this is the UK a very different place from the US.

I don't think neurosexism (spatial awareness, Really?!) counts as notable research

Nor do I think we need to pretend that women, what ever their sexuality, pose the same risk as men

If transpeople are at risk of violence, its not up to women to protect them

One can rape without a penis

Not in the UK:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/1

"In the years ending March 2017 and March 2020 combined, the majority of victims who had experienced rape or assault by penetration since they were 16 years old reported that the perpetrator(s) were male (98%)".
Office for National Statistics data.

There's no evidence that lesbians commit sex crimes against other women as men do (except in the minds of homophobes and lesbophobes). Defending the placement of male rapists alongside women in prison cells is a pretty grim thing to advocate - even Nicola Sturgeon has reverse ferreted on that one danascully96. But you do you as they say.

Some women are stronger than some men, that's true.

But they'll only find their match among men who rate far weaker among men than they do with women. In hand grip, a common strength test, the top 10% of women can beat only the bottom 10% of men.

In other words, you'd have to be an above averagely strong woman to beat an average or (more likely) well below average man.

In other words, men aren't women and most men are significantly stronger than most women.

In other words, stop using this ridiculous non-argument to justify putting women at the mercy of men. Just come out with it and say you're a MRA who views women as expendable.