To think trans women don't belong in womens prisons for women

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Exactly. Other types of sexual assault and sexual harassment exist that do not require a penis, including assault by penetration with other body parts and objects. Plus the fact women shouldn't have to change and shower under a male gaze even if they weren't ever touched it is still unacceptable.

Of course they are - they are men.

Do we know who is behind the Denton Report? Who's driving all this?

Let's not forget the fragrant Tara Hudson who was jailed for assault in an all male prison - said Tara Hudson beat a gay man so badly he required thousands of pounds of corrective dental surgery, said Tara Hudson also used vile homophobic slurs against the man he was beating, said Tara Hudson proudly advertised their 7" surprise. All of a sudden said Tara Hudson, who is over 6' tall and well built was somehow vulnerable in an all male prison - a violent, fully intact, well built male convicted of a serious assault - yeah vulnerable all right.

Shamefully politicians leapt on this oh so vulnerable transwoman band wagon and the Government crumbled and moved Tara to a female prison.

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All the people involved should be on it.
Here it is.

Thanks

This adds some extra insight. Unsurprisingly it's predominantly wealthy white men driving the trans agenda. I think they have different motivations, for some it's profit, for others it's the power of social engineering and some seem to be quite determined to promote parental alienation by the state..... I could only speculate about their motives.

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

Don't let's forget that the Transgender Law Center in the USA did a version too.

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When you realise how orchestrated this all is, it is sickening.

And yet.... we are told how tolerant and kind it all is.

To be honest even if they have "fully transitioned" and no longer have a penis, they're still most likely bigger and stronger than the average woman, and for the same reason that I don't believe even fully transitioned TW belong in women's sports, I don't believe they belong in women's prisons. At the very least if they have any conviction or history of violence.

Yesi do agree, I should have said anyone born with a penis I guess. I also agree re sports. I can't imagine there is anything that will change my mind either.

Actually I've re-thought my comment. Even if they have fully transitioned and their conviction and behaviour is no related to violence, I don't believe TW belong in women's prisons for the reasons of privacy - toilets, showers, changing etc.

@PugInTheHouse I agree! I have thought very long and hard on this issue and I don't think anything would change my thoughts on this. Biological sex matters, and you can't change biological sex. Wishing will not make it so.

This is the direct quote , taken from a thread I have on my DD's primary school using gender, not sex, as a protected characteristic. The head took a big diversion, including the following:

EastLondonObserver · 06/01/2023 17:43

In this instance the greater good is served by a trans women’s desires trumping the desires of those women who don’t want trans women in women’s prisons. Yes, absolutely

He's a man, still has a penis and is a threat to women. Probably only started to transition when on trial and hoping to be put in a women's prison.

I think prostate cancer begs to differ.

Thanks for the reminder.

I think the flounce of that poster was very well timed. They must have seen what was coming, I think.

There are a lot of weasel words being uttered around penises in Scottish female prisons. Everything is being carefully phrased.

I am sure some male sexed prisoners will go out of their way to bully/intimidate staff and prisoners, even if they can't make physical contact.

Female staff and prisoners deserve their safe spaces.

yes.

When you strip it all back to the bare words, the push to access female single sex spaces has been blown to smithereens.

If a 'woman' has been assessed as being too dangerous to be placed in a female prison. They are obviously not seen as real women. Because real women would never be assessed as to whether they should be in a female prison, they would be assessed as to the risk but not of whether they should be in a female prison.

So, if there are males who are now not considered safe, when did they become 'not safe' to access female single sex spaces? What was that turning point.... before conviction or after?

Did that person miraculously become more dangerous after conviction? No. It was just that no there is a judgement against them.

If there are now some males that even extremists admit should not in accessing female single sex spaces, why are any male people allowed to? Remembering that all male people have supposedly the same risk (and not more... oh no. Let's not go there!) as each other in safeguarding.

The logic is missing a huge chink now.

I expect that any further polls of the UK public will be even stronger against any male accessing toilets and changing rooms meant for women and girl's safety.

Incarceration for women is a shambles in the UK anyway - the vast vast majority of women are in prison for non-violent offences, on very short sentences and yet their rates of injury and death are appalling in comparison to male prisons - this date is from 2018, but I don't think any new data shows a better situation:

Last year (2017) there were 2,093 incidents of self harm per 1,000 female prisoners, up 12% on the previous year, compared with 445 incidents per 1,000 male prisoners, up 8%.

These are women who, for the most part, have been horrifically let down by society and, usually, targeted by men - abused, groomed, trafficked, addicted, made desperate by poverty - and they end up in prison because there is simply no help or support available for them. There have been serious calls - and some moves - made to essentially shut down female prisons as they are a pointless waste of money, given that they generally act as extortionately expensive storage for women who need medical care, social care, addiction support and resources to escape abuse.

There are of course some violent women but nowhere near the scale of men - women make up only 5% of the total prison population and less than a fifth of that tiny percentage are violent.

The absolutely ludicrous idea that you would look at the situation women are in and say 'I know, let's stick a man in there with them' shows such a moronic lack of critical thinking it genuinely beggars any belief. It's basically a matter of people being so so so incredibly determined to never be called a bigot that they'd rather see extremely vulnerable women terrorised than think for one second about what might be genuinely right or wrong.

What's interesting about this whole thing is that it shows very clearly the manipulative tactics men use to control and intimidate women and just how incredibly effective they are - to the extent that women will actually walk themselves under the bus, bowing all the time, trying to show how 'kind' they are, while muscular abusers in wigs laugh their arses off at them.

Crazy as this whole thing is, I really hope it wakes a lot of women up once and for all.

Let's not forget the fragrant Tara Hudson who was jailed for assault in an all male prison - said Tara Hudson beat a gay man so badly he required thousands of pounds of corrective dental surgery, said Tara Hudson also used vile homophobic slurs against the man he was beating, said Tara Hudson proudly advertised their 7" surprise. All of a sudden said Tara Hudson, who is over 6' tall and well built was somehow vulnerable in an all male prison - a violent, fully intact, well built male convicted of a serious assault - yeah vulnerable all right.

That’s a good point. Off the top of my head I can name at least five trans identifying males who have killed a man (or caused grevious bodily harm) but were put in women’s prisons.

These men were in no way vulnerable to attack from other males yet successfully claimed they were. Several of them were moved back to a male prison after harming women.

We have seen a worrying number of cases where a judge has either not imposed a prison sentence or made a much shorter sentence on violent criminals (one attacked people with a claw hammer, there was several serious sex offenders/paedophiles etc) PURELY BECAUSE THEY WERE TRANS.

I infer from this that ChristmasWine’s theoretical completely harmless trans identifying male in prison for fraud does not exist as they would be less likely to get a prison sentence. If judges will be lenient with violent men or serious sex offenders, are they likely to send a non violent trans person to prison?

The Denton report mentioned above is worth a look.....(Good Practices for Advocacy):

7. Tie your campaign to more popular reform
In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection, particularly in Ireland, where marriage equality was strongly supported, but gender identity remained a more difficult issue to win public support for.
8.Avoid excessive press coverage and exposure
Another technique which has been used to great effect is the limitation of press coverage and exposure.

I can't find anything about transmen in mens prisons. I've read in the past it doesn't happen as it's not safe for the trans man.

Page 40 in the Denton's report.

It is evidently a positive step that Malta introduced amendments to the law which depathologise gender
identity. In Malta, it is now illegal to diagnose an individual with gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder.

I wonder how this works if you want help with distress arising from the reality of your sexed body but would prefer to avoid surgery and hormones.

If everyone now sees the issue re TW in women’s prisons can we now talk about the fact that women are currently supposed to accept the very same men (before they get caught) in female spaces like single sex changing rooms, loos, hospital wards etc?

And that the males in female prisons have been risk assessed before being unleashed on females.

Exceptionally ineptly risk assessed with zero regard or interest in females, but there's something on paper first.

On a hospital ward or a changing room? The male taking advantage of their right to walk into a female space at will and to require females there to accept this could be Scott. Eastwood. Bryson. And there is no way to know until at least one woman has been significantly harmed enough for a court conviction!!

because nothing less than that will ever be allowed to count.

Fuck that. This is not the bloody witch trials. You don't throw a male in a female space and if a female ends up sufficiently injured as agreed by a court then she's acquitted of having been transphobic when she said 'get that male out of here!'