Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks

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My AIBU title taken from this news article:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beauty-students-asked-strip-front-29063499

This whole 'Isla Bryson' cluster-fuck has me angrier than I can describe.

These girls had to accept and trust this vile individual in their beauty course on the basis of Isla's claim to be a woman, nothing more. They even tolerated abuse from Isla.

They were not told this individual was facing charges of rape. The college claim they didn't know either. Because 'Isla' said he was a women, these young women felt they had no choice but to strip to virtually naked in front of him. Failing to do so would be 'bigoted'.

But he also happens to be a serial rapist. Young women, some possibly aged 16 or so, stripping to virtually naked while a serial rapist watches. If this was my daughter I would be going mad.

Where is the safeguarding?

AIBU to feel viscerally angry with all our politicians about this?

I'm using the term in a very specific mocking context. It's not a term I would ever ordinarily use but seems fine in the context of pointing out a TRA 'ally's' transphobia and hypocrisy to them.

I think it would go over many heads, tbh.

Every time their language is used it reinforces the 'rules' they demand compliance with. I will not perpetuate that.

That's my opinion but of course we can agree to disagree.

I also don't agree with using the term 'transphobia'. Again, it perpetuates a narrative that I am not prepared to lend credence to.

And the language these ‘inclusiveness’ has produce is not just exclusive to women but dehumanising. Vagina owners, non-men, menstruators, pregnant people, cervix or uterus havers. This inhumane language not only humiliates women but put many of us at risk.

it’s is not transphobic to oppose it. It’s is not hateful to say you want to keep your language, your spaces, your rights.

Humans have rights and some of those are sex based. Trans is not a sex, it is not a sexuality. They have same rights than the rest of us. Forcing everyone to see you as you would like to be seen is not a right.

Absolutely that, and also that the definition of 'man' doesn't seem to be in the same jeopardy as that of 'woman'. For some strange reason.

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Another classmate of Bryson's has come forward.

I was a bit flummoxed by Butchy's piss take, thinking: Eh? I thought she was normal and sensible.

Penny clang later, relief etc.

Tbf, I think the queen JK said the same thing, only better. 🤣

Apologies @Butchyrestingface it’s really difficult to recognise satire/piss taking these days with all the utter claptrap people come out with! Didn’t mean to be overly combative.

Yes, the real stuff is such piss taking bollocks, it's impossible to differentiate!

I see Butchy, that you were too good in your post!

There has been so much to be concerned with about the demands of these extreme group that it is almost, but not quite, amusing to see posters who are here to yet again ‘shame’ us display their own transphobic thinking for the whole world , MN, to see.

They might be trans themselves, or they might envision themselves as wonderfully kind allies. The reality is that if they cannot see that they have just posted sentiments that so clearly go against the totalitarian mantras of ‘all trans people are valid’ (remember that one?), ‘acceptance without exception’, ‘trans people are trans because they say they are’, and that old chestnut ‘tw are women’, then they simply never understood those mantras.

Those posters need re-education!

Those posters cannot now attempt to shame posters by using arguments that people pushing back against the prioritisation of sex over gender where sex matters for the protection of the needs of women and children have used for years and think they get a pass when they are still here- attempting to shame others. While this fucked up situation has been created and allowed to happen because of people just like them .

Just like them! Ignoring the fucking reality. Actively trying to shame people who do see how this fucked up situation happened and exactly who was responsible. All those responsible!

But I cannot fully blame some people for their lack of critical thinking ability. I mean, let’s face it. There are other reasons for telling people that a group of people with very diverse motivations were all good and wonderful people and there were no bad intentions.

And I don’t just mean the many posters who tell us base their shaming posts on their dear friend/s . Their lovely friends are so wonderful and none of us should be excluding them….

So yes. The arguments that posters are now using need to be held up for being transphobic.

No movement gets to reverse ferret as many times as this one already has.

The only way to stop these situations from happening again is to point out how every single person who used those thought stopping, morally bankrupt and anti-women and girls mantras was supporting this.

And exposing the hypocrisy, the deception and the falsehoods of those fucked up mantras.

If you have been using those mantras, how do you reconcile that now in your head?

Or are you just going to deny it and continue to shame those you deem as unkind and intolerant?

And Fuck!

Here is another thought terminating mantra dead.

You know the one that ‘no person would go to so much effort to access women and children’…

This person even went to Beautician school ! Not just for a weekend course!

Has that sunk in to readers yet????

This rapist learned to spray tan naked women! So if they wanted to, they could then spray tan naked women professionally! So they could do beauty treatments behind closed doors to women!

And chances are because of all the fucked up ‘be kind’ instructions, women wouldn’t have reported anything that merely made them uncomfortable. Because that would leave them open to the attacks telling them they were transphobic!

And I cannot see how those past instances where women have been abused with name calling can be denied! Every single incident reported in the media has had the reporting woman face barrages of public comment for their ‘sin’ of transphobia. FFS, anyone needing to see it should read up on the Wi Spa incident. There were violent men protesting outside the spa one afternoon in defense of that serial sex offender!

Because everyone claimed that sex offender with a semi erect penis slipping into a hot tub with a naked 9 year girl and other naked women could only be innocent. Or made up! We even had one regular poster tell us it was far more egregious that the woman making the complaint was in the foyer in her robe!!! I kid you not!!!

Let’s not forget Bryson also demanded BT pay £5K for misgendering.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11688293/amp/Trans-double-rapist-Isla-Bryson-demanded-5-000-BT-getting-letters-dead-name.html

So that ‘no person would go through the process of ‘self ID’ to access women and children’ was always so clearly false, I have no idea why any person would ever consider using it.

And some of the most prominent people saying that are certainly old enough to remember whole groups of people who expanded years of effort to get access to their victims.

The moral compass of those needing mantras to emotionally manipulate people to follow blindly was always suspect. However, some of those who used to chant the mantras to get others to submit, think they can now add qualifiers to their mantras and expect them to still work.

They don’t realize that :

TW are W (except if the TW is actually a rapist or sex abuser…)

Doesn’t quite have the same power that the previous version has.

Nor does: Trans people are who they say they are (except those who the ‘community’ don’t want to be seen as transgender)

So that narrative : ‘No trans person would go through all that to just be in a position to access vulnerable women and children’, was never true and is now demonstrably so.

Bryson has spent far more than the ‘3 months’ needed to qualify under the GRR bill’s requirements.

It is time to cut the crap.

The supposedly soothing mantraing needs to stop.

I am worried that all the attention will ebb away. I keep thinking Karen White happened, where women were actually harmed in a female prison, but that didn't prevent Isla Bryson or Tiffany Scott happening. That the denials this ever happens at all will re-surface, and gaslighting start again. I'm thinking Nicola Sturgeon is just riding out the storm. That equality petition isn't moving up fast enough, even after what has happened. I think they count on the fact that violence against women is tolerated. The petition map shows Scotland is very aware, but England not really red at all. I'm feeling scared.

Hm.

Male who gets a sexual thrill from power, control, intimidation and violation of women's boundaries does power, control, intimidation and violation of women's boundaries. Without laying a finger on them, he managed it.

And everyone walks on eggshells because gender woo belief that these behaviours are all ok and important to tolerate nicely if the person is TQ+ because 'they know better than you do who they are and what they need to do'.

Didn't he have a lovely time doing his thing to these women because of this special privileged position with them?

I used to think that. Then I saw the ‘Laurel & Lia Effect’.

Think of all that has now been achieved due to first Hubbard and then Thomas.

The first inkling for many was Dowalowski. Although, the right equivalent first may have been the GRR bill being forced through.

Bryson is, to me, equivalent to Thomas. It was Thomas that really spurred action. And that is still going strong. And it was actually quite quick when you consider it was this time last year we were collating Thomas’ results and all watching.

No. This will force the issue.

It really has forced the obliteration of fucked up mantraing.

But the nature of sport means Hubbard and Thomas are constantly in the public face, over and over again. Violence against women happens secretly. These evil bastards will do it stealthily and, unless the press picks it up, get away with it. Would the press have got as worked up about Tiffany Scott if they didn't already have their teeth into Isla Bryson? I honestly think Scott would be in a women's prison now, happily terrorising women and making life hell for them, and no one would really know. Except for the so called "terfs", who would be told they were lying and all was well and that transgender women are never ever dangerous.

I think we can see that the media is doing very well here. Because this is also highly political with the added bonus of being UK news.

The discussion will keep coming up.

This is giving Lisa Nandy nightmares I reckon. Labour is watching. This is very much a political tool (and it could be argued it should never have been morally). These ripples will keep going.

There’s quite a few more trans prisoner horror stories to come out now the attention of the public is on this.

As more papers get brave like the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Times in reporting this it will start reaching further.

The obvious discrimination that Sturgeon has demonstrated towards Bryson could cause him to attempt a court case which would be catastrophic for Nicola and the activists. She is already crumbling under gentle pressure from journalists.

I also think that the more women realise that it’s not ‘just them’ and we don’t have to put up with it, the better and the more protest there will be.

They have got this far by keeping it under the radar and bullying people into silence but that has failed.

This is very heartening. We all keep to keep shouting and protesting and challenging individual policies where we see them.

This is giving Lisa Nandy nightmares I reckon. Labour is watching. This is very much a political tool (and it could be argued it should never have been morally). These ripples will keep going.

Yes, I wonder how Lisa us feeling about her confident opinion that “transwomen are women” and “yes rapists should definitely be put in women’s prisons”.

She even specifically confirmed that child rapist Christopher Whorton should be in a womens prison. Women’s prison tend to have mother and baby units and be less secure because women are generally less violent.

Yet another story about the horrors of housing men in women's prisons, this time in California.

reduxx.info/exclusive-female-inmate-reports-rape-occurred-in-california-womens-prison/

LABOUR have a massive hill on which to climb down from. They absolutely need to be held accountable.

Lisa Nandy is a complete and utter numpty. One of the biggest sheeple going. She hasn’t a clue what’s she on about and followed the crowd in a desperate attempt to be liked and given some sort of recognition. Watching her tie herself up in word salad knots is hysterical. When that ship really goes down, she is one of the first that Starmer will throw overboard.

FOJN · Today 09:22

Yet another story about the horrors of housing men in women's prisons, this time in California.

"According to the Bureau of Prisons, almost 50% of trans-identified male inmates have been convicted of a sexual offense. This is compared to just 11% of the non-trans-identified male inmate population."

That figure is almost exactly comparable with those in the UK. I saw a story about women in Californian prisons last year, they sleep in shifts (dormitory accommodation) and have to move around in large groups. It's completely unconscionable.

Validation.

The pressure to do this was something Helen Joyce spoke very insightfully about.

We are not a highly gendered society. Most things can be done by women & by men, we don’t have cultural rules like “women fetch the water, men hunt the animals”.

So if you demand to be validated as something you are not, if you have a sexual preoccupation with it, how can you prove to yourself & others that you are accepted as what you’re not.

By going for the very few things in our society that are accepted as female only - breast-feeding, bra fitting, women’s beauty salons, menopause discussions, women’s loos & prisons.

Lisa Nandy is a complete and utter numpty. One of the biggest sheeple going. She hasn’t a clue what’s she on about and followed the crowd in a desperate attempt to be liked and given some sort of recognition. Watching her tie herself up in word salad knots is hysterical. When that ship really goes down, she is one of the first that Starmer will throw overboard.

She absolutely is.

It was interesting on listening to her pronouncements on this again to note the trans person she repeatedly references. One of her constituents is trans and she brings them up as an example of the most vulnerable and marginalised member of society.

So marginalised that this person has her attention and constant advocacy where thousands of women don’t. Lisa even claims to be supportive of the women who suffer domestic abuse in her constituency but refuses to acknowledge that they almost always need single sex spaces for recovery.

Do you think Starmer will ever be brave enough to take a stand on this? His current silence is telling.