Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks

[scratchedbymycat]

My AIBU title taken from this news article:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beauty-students-asked-strip-front-29063499

This whole 'Isla Bryson' cluster-fuck has me angrier than I can describe.

These girls had to accept and trust this vile individual in their beauty course on the basis of Isla's claim to be a woman, nothing more. They even tolerated abuse from Isla.

They were not told this individual was facing charges of rape. The college claim they didn't know either. Because 'Isla' said he was a women, these young women felt they had no choice but to strip to virtually naked in front of him. Failing to do so would be 'bigoted'.

But he also happens to be a serial rapist. Young women, some possibly aged 16 or so, stripping to virtually naked while a serial rapist watches. If this was my daughter I would be going mad.

Where is the safeguarding?

AIBU to feel viscerally angry with all our politicians about this?

So are you saying there should be a process in place before someone legally changes gender and has access to spaces for opposite sex people? It shouldn't just happen the moment they declare themselves to have a particular identity? Because dishonest predators might abuse a rule like that?

How bigoted.

Indeed Rene. I agree.

Totally unacceptable. These things should be biological sex segregated otherwise it's an open door for predatory men to walk through. There is no consideration for the damage this does to girls and women. It's time that women's and girls dignity, and psychological health and wellbeing is taken into account. Men's feeling should not take priority over girls safety.

They were demonstrating spray tans. You only wear paper knickers for that usually.

@CrazyLadie

Comparing gay rights to this issue is a misdirection that nobody here is falling for. Male gays are not trying to get into women’s spaces. Make gays are not trying to compete in women’s sports. Male gays are not carrying out intimate treatments on females without fully disclosing their sex, and if the woman did object they could.

you understand also that this isn’t just a women’s issue, it also should be a concern of all transwomen. Every time a predator gets access to a woman and girl like this it’s all over the news. It’s another statistic where a transwoman has committed a heinous crime. Do they really want such bad press. Would it not be better for them to understand that women and transwomen are completely different with different needs and who require different protections and provisions in society. Not the same… different. They need to accept that where anything intimate is involved with women and girls then they should not be there. Quite simple really.

@CrazyLadie

Yeah but this guy never showed any indication previously and only changed after he was charged. The court should have put something in his bail conditions, but the maw is innocent till proven guilty

You can't say "guy" if you understand what self-I'd means. Can't quite believe what I'm reading. You do realise that you only need to "show indication" for a fleeting three months under the reforms Scotland wants before you are legally a woman.

And you do realise, I hope, that there are no criteria for what "indication" is: no medical requirements, no surgery, no dress code, no requirement to shave, nothing . Except a declaration, 'I am a woman'. Isla Bryson did that, therefore Isla Bryson is a transgender woman and a serial rapist. She's not the only one either.

I 'm amazed at how many people now arguing over this man hasn't realised exactly what was going on under the guise of be kind. It's almost as if they had done no research into what it was they are agreeing with or advocating for.

I can't understand why transgender women (the ones that just live quiet normal lives), don't object to self-id. It has done so much damage to them. The only winners with self-id are predatory males.

They are used to dismissing women, women's concerns and women's safety, and giving themselves brownie points for it.

They jumped on this thinking it was like same sex marriage, with women as an easy villain to attack. Plenty of useful existing misogynistic stereotypes and prejudices to jump on.

Unfortunately, everything that women said would happen - that anyone with two brain cells to rub together could have worked out would happen - has happened. This would be a good time for a little humility and re-thinking, but humility and thinking have never been part of these people's thought processes so they're not going to start now. Instead, hypocrisy, contradiction, absolute logical absurdity and, of course, more insults. Anything, anything other than admitting that women deserve protection and sex based rights.

There are many who have objected and pointed out the flaws but the loud aggressive TRAs ridicule, maliciously target them online and brazenly say 'these types are not genuine trans'. Such a warped and twisted ideology.

they cannot have it both ways.

They cannot have Self ID while gatekeeping being trans in the way they are now attempting to.

Removing a gender dysphoria diagnosis was always going to go this way. We all knew it. But you cannot say 'no' to this group apparently.

Well.

We CAN say NO and we will KEEP saying NO.

@TangledWebOfDeception I'm of the opinion that from now on every conversation starts with NO. Then we can talk! YES shouldn't have been the starting place!

(However I agree with you! They do not get to have it both ways. They made their 'rules' and demanded aquiescence; now they get to live by those demands.)

Absolutely @Boiledbeetle.

@mrshoho

and brazenly say 'these types are not genuine trans'.

Well, then they need to accept that "genuine trans" includes individuals who are a threat to women and children.

We are not judging "every transgender on the worst one we can find". We don't want ANY trans identified male in female spaces. Any male, any space.

Even if they are on hormones, have had gender reassignment surgery, are the nicest person in the world, are tiny and "feminine" and "really do pass", for the simple reason that they remain biologically male, and their presence is inappropriate.

Safety of women is paramount - but privacy and dignity are important, too, and women can't have these when they are in places/ situations where they are vulnerable with men around.

And this has nothing to do with being "gay". I have no objections to gay women, or trans identifying women, being in the changing room with me, even though I am straight, and you know why? Because they are WOMEN.

The court shouldn't have to put anything in his bail conditions (thank you for correctly "pronoun-ing" him) - it shouldn't arise because men in women's prisons shouldn't be an option.

I think we all need a tapas crisis centre, immediately and free on every street corner and well yeah.

Oh come off it. That particular horse hasn't just bolted over the horizon, it's died of old age!

Women have been asked to sacrifice their privacy, dignity, comfort and right to male free spaces (which in many cases for vulnerable women meant sacrifice their access altogether) for the benefit of this special group of males.

They have been asked to willingly accept that every single male who walks into the space where they are vulnerable and undressing, is Schroedinger's rapist. There is no way to know if you're with one of the safe ones or not, and women were asked to not hold that against all males and accept pretty much that some of them would turn out to be in a room with a sex offender - Katie Dolotowski's victims come to mind, and the woman raped on the NHS ward - but that women must remind themselves that not all males are like that, and one bad apple, and gay history and not my Nigel and yada yada yada.

The current situation with the prisons has proven, definitively, that some of the most dangerous men with very serious convictions - in some cases having finished a life sentence but continuing to be too dangerous to be released- have been put into those women's spaces by those who have been busy telling women everyone was being so careful and it would never happen.

It has proven definitively to women that no one has the faintest care or interest in women's safety or what happens to them in the name of the freedoms of males, that there is seriously no interest in what happens to women so long as these males get their wish. Not only is there no care or reciprocation for all that has been demanded that women give: not only do they not care at all about women's needs, feelings, inclusion, we now know that even the bloody government does not care about a woman being raped or killed in this. They do not care. At all.

And that's the end. That's it now. Women are done with this.

The time for sad whining and bleating about be kind to the poor men - fgs, catch up.

What utter pish!!! The simple fact is the court should have put in his bail conditions he was not to be put in this position.

I'm shocked by the blatant transphobia and misgendering here.

A transwoman is only a woman unless she commits a crime. And after that she's a man. Would you treat a CIS woman like this?

Shocking.

A transwoman has never been and will never be a woman. Fixed that for you.

Quite.

And please do not use the term c**. It's not a legitimate term.

If you're looking to say 'woman who knows and accepts that she is a woman and doesn't claim to be some vague mumbo jumbo word salad pretzel logic nonsense' the word you want is WOMAN. No qualification needed.

Trans woman = man trying to make men a subset of women
Cis woman = man trying to make woman a subset of women

If you're talking to me, I'm gender critical so preaching to the converted.

But well done for missing the point of the post which was - the TRAs aren't 'arf showing their arses right now over this case.

Glad to hear that.

(Don't mix cis into your comments then, is my view. You use their terms, you legitimise their nonsense.)