Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks

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My AIBU title taken from this news article:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beauty-students-asked-strip-front-29063499

This whole 'Isla Bryson' cluster-fuck has me angrier than I can describe.

These girls had to accept and trust this vile individual in their beauty course on the basis of Isla's claim to be a woman, nothing more. They even tolerated abuse from Isla.

They were not told this individual was facing charges of rape. The college claim they didn't know either. Because 'Isla' said he was a women, these young women felt they had no choice but to strip to virtually naked in front of him. Failing to do so would be 'bigoted'.

But he also happens to be a serial rapist. Young women, some possibly aged 16 or so, stripping to virtually naked while a serial rapist watches. If this was my daughter I would be going mad.

Where is the safeguarding?

AIBU to feel viscerally angry with all our politicians about this?

I cannot see how this will work. If you revel their past name you commit a crime.

Allowing people to change their birth certificate is a big ask and will provide a hiding place for all kinds of deviants.

Maybe adding their gender rather than changing their sex will be a compromise.

I feel for transsexuals but cannot see how entertaining the idea of opening the single sex spaces to all will not end in more of these situations.

Whether or not there is an intact penis, the male is always, always still a male. It makes no difference to the dignity, privacy and protection of the women and girls in the scenario.

The VAST majority of trans women keep their penis. The number that don’t is tiny.

yanbu

no men in women's jails ever - even if that hurts their feelings.

It's not that they are transgender. And that alone makes this transphobic. Males also do the courses and they practice on each other. It's a tricky one. As until proven guilty should a student be kicked off a course , they may not be guilty.?

The college was correct in not disclosing to other students. That would be a massive breach of data protection

I totally understand how those students feel

bellinisurge · Today 14:10

In the same way not all priests, social workers, sports coaches and teachers are predators, nor are all transwomen.

I paraphrase, but Pope Ratzinger said: "Not all priests are paedophiles, it's only 5%." That's 5% too many, fuckwit.

*Rainbowshit
How do you think they practice spray tans and waxing?!

Obviously I've never studied "beauty" at College, I though that those skills were taught by the companies that make those products. If it's done the way that you say, then the girls can wear modesty outfits, "granny knickers" etc. or perhaps a Burqa?*

Um. WHAT THE FUCK?!?! How do you think they're going to learn to do a Hollywood wax when the person they are practising on is wearing any kind of pants?!?!

How about we empower our girls to say NO. NO, that's a male and I don't feel comfortable getting undressed in front of them.

Just this.

Imagine if that creep had finished the course and then was performing intimate treatments on women who would be bigots if they declined his services.

This gaslighting of women has got to stop.

Men are not women.

I have posted this on another thread, but I feel it bears repeating.

I wrote to my MP, about this case.

This is her reply. I have highlighted two key things she said in bold, and put my thoughts about it, at the bottom.

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Thank you for your further email.

I completely agree with you that women need protection from sex offenders and from predatory men.

As women, unfortunately, we still need to look out to be safe from predatory men. Predatory men are a threat to women, but trans-women are not.

We need to do a lot more to bring rapists to justice. We also need to do a lot more to support victims of rape and ensure that they can recover from their trauma. Additionally, we need to ensure that rape victims are believed when they first report a crime against them. I am actively campaigning on all those issues.

The GRR is a separate issue. It is separate because the vast majority trans-gender people are not rapists or sex offenders. Like in the general population you wouldn't deny rights to all women or all men because some men and some women are criminals.

The Scottish GRR law will allow transgender people to live their lives according to who they are and to have their trans identity acknowledged by making the process of receiving a gender recognition certificate easier. It doesn't change who is trans or who becomes trans. Transgender people are who they are, men who want to live as women and women who want to live as men. They do this anyway and they are no threat to you and me anymore than other people are.

The Equality Act 2010 is not affected by GRR nor is the requirement in law that prison services must ensure that their male and female inmates are safe.

If a transgender woman commits a crime, she will be punished as other people are. It is for individual prisons to decide on a case-by-case basis where prisoners are placed in order to ensure the safety of all inmates.

You will have heard in the news that the convicted rapist you have been referring to will not be held in a women's prison.

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But with self ID, any man who says he is a woman, is a transwoman. She seems to be denying that Adam the rapist is a transwoman

And

Surely, this is the whole point of safeguarding. Not all people who apply to teach are paedophiles, but all teaching applicants must have a DBS check

Has anyone seen JK Rowlings tweet about the new dangerous bloke that is going to be moved to women's prison?

Women and girls are not even an afterthought in this trans ideology. I'm reminded of the despicable posters put up in so many toilets in universities, colleges and other institutions. Putting women and children in potentially very harmful situations.

As women, unfortunately, we still need to look out to be safe from predatory men. Predatory men are a threat to women, but trans-women are not.

Any trans woman who imposes their male sexed body on woman is a predatory man.

Women should not have to put up with this shit.

They don't need to be a rapist to be predatory.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1619297365479010304

Any trans woman who imposes their male sexed body on woman is a predatory man.

Women should not have to put up with this shit.

They don't need to be a rapist to be predatory.

JFC.

How many violent men have to identify as women to make Sturgeon see sense?

They MUST have known about these men when they said there was no evidence.

Fucking liars.

(Above quoted from @lifeturnsonadime)

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

Of course they knew. They just don’t give a single shit.

This man would never have been allowed in a position to bully, exploit and abuse the female students had his gender identity not been accepted. The students were told they would be transphobic to refuse to participate in practical sessions with him but he was exempt from removing his own clothes because he claimed he was trans and did not feel comfortable.

The asymmetry in rights and respecting one person's discomfort over that of a whole group makes it perfectly clear everyone knows who the man is.

Would you expect a paediatrician to be allowed to continue working with children if they had been accused of child sex offences? Of course you wouldn't, you would expect them to be suspended until legal proceedings had concluded.

If organisations want to hide behind data protection then they need to ensure that it does not compromise safeguarding.

It is not fucking tricky and pointing out the obvious is not transphobic.

You know this is wrong which is why you haven't used female pronouns for this arsehole in your post. I don't care about his gender identity epiphany, which only happened after he'd been charged with rape, I care about his sex, which is MALE.

Cognitive dissonance of our politicians can be mind blowing.
If trans women are not a danger to women and children why are so many of them in prison for sex offences ?

For those who don't do Twitter

The “no true Scotsman” fallacy being used about a true Scotsman.

It’s not cognitive dissonance. They’re well aware of what they’re doing/saying and the inherent contradictions and inaccuracies.

MALES also do the course. ...... That's my point
It's the same

being trans has nothing to do with it. It seems he was a thourghly nasty individual but being trans is a distraction.

all down to Nicola Sturgeon

what did NS do (by 2021) that made it possible for "Annie"/IB to be on that course in 2021?

The story seems to say that IB hadn't been investigated yet by police, or that college did not know IB was under investigation.

Are PP saying that no person who ever identified as transWoman should have been allowed to take the course as classmate of biological females?

Tim Minchin nailed it.

"If the facts don't fit my narrative
I'll just invent alternatives
cos otherwise my brain will blow up..."

They are entirely stuck in the mire of sex offenders and male people with TQ+ identities are two totally separate groups.

Which leaves them either fumbling at 'well Bryson isn't truly TQ+ or Bryson would not have sex offended and been convicted for it' (however Bryson got to do Bryson's thing on the women on this course because TQ+ male, and the women were scolded for their transphobia in being upset by this...)

So does this mean anything a male with a TQ+ identity is ok and women shouldn't mind or have boundaries because TQ+ negates other people's rights and boundaries? Is inappropriate behaviour not inappropriate behaviour when it's being done by a male claiming a TQ+ identity (which may or may not be sincere, no one but the male will ever know), until the male a) has a conviction as a serial serious sex offender and b) it's escaped into the press and the public are bloody furious?

Bryson is as TQ+ as anyone else.
Bryson used the licence of TQ+ to harass and distress the women in this class
Bryson is a convicted sex offender and TQ+
Inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour from a male towards women is inappropriate and unacceptable however the male defines their identity.
Otherwise we are saying that inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour is not a bug in TQ+ access to female spaces: it is a feature.
In which case, yes, TQ+ access to female spaces is very definitely the problem.

Wtf is going on that people's thoughts about women's boundaries and about sexual harassment of abuse of women goes 'but what exactly was going on in the male's head at the time?' as if that makes a bloody difference!