Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks

[scratchedbymycat]

My AIBU title taken from this news article:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beauty-students-asked-strip-front-29063499

This whole 'Isla Bryson' cluster-fuck has me angrier than I can describe.

These girls had to accept and trust this vile individual in their beauty course on the basis of Isla's claim to be a woman, nothing more. They even tolerated abuse from Isla.

They were not told this individual was facing charges of rape. The college claim they didn't know either. Because 'Isla' said he was a women, these young women felt they had no choice but to strip to virtually naked in front of him. Failing to do so would be 'bigoted'.

But he also happens to be a serial rapist. Young women, some possibly aged 16 or so, stripping to virtually naked while a serial rapist watches. If this was my daughter I would be going mad.

Where is the safeguarding?

AIBU to feel viscerally angry with all our politicians about this?

• MALES also do the course. ...... That's my point
  It's the same

  being trans has nothing to do with it. It seems he was a thourghly nasty individual but being trans is a distraction.*

NO. It's NOT the same because the girls would not be coerced into getting naked in front of a male who isn't claiming a female identity.

MALES also do the course. ...... That's my point
It's the same

being trans has nothing to do with it. It seems he was a thourghly nasty individual but being trans is a distraction.

No it's not. He would have been training with the male students if being trans had nothing to do with it but he wasn't, instead he was able to abuse teenage girls BECAUSE he said he was trans. Claiming to be trans has everything to do with it.

MALES also do the course. ...... That's my point
It's the same

So all the men on the course get to strip off with the girls
or in this case get to watch the girls strip off? Aye right!

being trans has nothing to do with it. It seems he was a thourghly nasty individual but being trans is a distraction.

None so blind than those who will not see!

It's everything to do with being trans. That's how he got to gaslight everyone involved and got to accuse the young women who were uncomfortable being in partial states of undress bigots.

If they'd have said no to a man he wouldn't have had such power over them.

None so blind than those who will not see!

Nothing new for that particular poster. Their head must be about to explode with the cognitive dissonance.

He’s not ‘claiming to be trans’.

HE IS TRANS.

He is trans AND a predator.

And even if he WASN’T a predator he should not have been present when young women were required to be in a state of undress.

It is very simple and straightforward.

If organisations want to hide behind data protection then they need to ensure that it does not compromise safeguarding.

This isn't just ordinary data protection though, the legal protections around disclosing someone's transgender status and especially disclosing that someone has a GRC are draconian. There are only very limited circumstances where that's allowed and woe betide an organisation that gets it wrong.

Anyone still for 3 months and then self id to a GRC?

(After all, that's why this case is so big in the news right now.)

As the previous poster has just said, some of the worst gaslighting has been from the moderators on Mumsnet themselves, who’ve insisted on deleting threads like this or moving them to the Feminist topic. This issue affects all women and should be discussed on AIBU or anywhere else the OP wants.

Colonel Russell Williams. There's a few true crime podcasts/YouTube's about him

This isn't just ordinary data protection though, the legal protections around disclosing someone's transgender status and especially disclosing that someone has a GRC are draconian.

It's an unworkable situation. You can't ask to see a GRC and other official documents can be changed so there is no need to present a birth certificate as ID so the existence of the GRA actually renders a GRC pointless and with that all sex based rights are erased.

He’s not ‘claiming to be trans’.

HE IS TRANS.

Understood and agreed. I use "claiming to be trans" to underlining the point that it takes nothing more than a man's say so to get all sorts of organisations to comply with their demands for access to women and women's spaces.

Some figures for your MSP
2021 just under 290 female prisoners of whom 1% were sex offenders. Caveat that there is no guarantee all would have been female at birth .
If similar numbers are in the female estate just now ,that would mean there are considerably more male sex offenders who identify as women than actual female sex offenders, given that there are , according to the media, at least 4 or 5 male sex offenders in Scottish prisons who say they are women
As a percentage of the population 3 out of 2,780,000 women compared to say 5 out of 25,674 ( 1% of male population )

@lifeturnsonadime

How many violent men have to identify as women to make Sturgeon see sense?

Funnily enough, this very question was implicitly asked via the amendments put forward in response to the GRR. The suggestion that men with a record of raping women should be denied a GRC ... voted down. The suggestion that a man awaiting trial for violent crimes against a women ... voted down. So they are completely OK with ALL violent men identifying as women. Vetoed any restrictions. That's not what will change Sturgeons mind. For that, you need public rage and the fear her Independence project might be derailed.

I was unaware it was a female only course. That's not something available at any of the 5 colleges local to me. I just assumed that as a beautician they'd be an expectation that body parts would be revealed/handled.

@maddy68 You are so wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Here's why

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http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4729470-beauty-students-asked-to-strip-in-front-of-trans-rapist-at-college-after-sex-attacks?msgid=123451477#123451477

As a parent you would expect any child on a beauty course to strip off in a mixed sex environment? You wouldn't have issues with that? Don't be ridiculous.

Beauty courses come in different specialisms but commonly students practice on each other. So hairdressing and makeup - commonly mixed sex. Hollywood waxing and spray tanning and anything which requires disrobing to practice - single sex.

I'm gobsmacked and the nonsense being suggested to justify having a male bodied pervert in a space with teenage girls. Granny knickers ffs.

There might be male students in the course but I'll bet they don't get to do Brazilian waxes in the female students and would be asked to leave the room when the girls were stripping off .

Unlikely to be a female only course ...

I did a beauty course decades ago and there were men on it even back then.

And did you have to strip off in front of him?

Years of acceptance without exception if they say they are trans they are trans.

It's to late now to backtrack

To those that have quoted the above over the years.

This twice convicted male rapist who claims he's a woman is according to your mantra a trans woman.

He was from the second those magic words "I am Trans" came out of his mouth

LIVE WITH IT

NO DEBATE

Unlikely to be a female only course ...

I did a beauty course decades ago and there were men on it even back then.

And would the female students have been branded a bigot if they had refused to get undressed in front of male students?

Does anyone know of a male beautician offering fake tan and intimate waxing to female customers?

My son has a much older girl in his class who’s suddenly decided she’s a boy. She seems to like my son and follows him around talking about how she’s a boy and her new name etc etc.
he’s only ten and is totally bemused and creeped out by this. If I complained I’d imagine I’d be accused of bigotry. So would he! It’s massively unfair to expect him to have to go along with her delusions.
The whole thing needs to go. But it won’t. Too entrenched.

Are PP saying that no person who ever identified as transWoman should have been allowed to take the course as classmate of biological females?

Some do think that, and I understand why. But I think men and trans women could join in, provided it is understood they are biologically male and women and girls have safeguarding in place based on that. Not all men are rapists either, but we accept they could potentially be and respect womens boundaries and spaces accordingly. And men generally don't act like they've been mortally wounded when asked to respect those boundaries. For example, girls are told they do not have to undress in front of them, touch them, or be touched by them if they don't want to, specifically because they are male. Etc.

No but my mum does keep on getting sent male carers. They’re nice but she doesn’t want a bloke showering her. Luckily she’s confident enough to say no.

I’m fuming too @scratchedbymycat It makes me so angry that his rights seem to come above biological women’s rights. What has the world come to when the tiny minority is ruling us all, or so it seems?

People are labelled transphobic at the drop of a hat. And then when you point out that raping someone isn’t very nice you’re definitely transphobic then 🙄 🙄

You are not being unreasonable no. I haven't read the full thread yet. But I don't think it is yet too entrenched to go and it does need to be challenged for the sake of this generation of young people. I don't believe any child is trans. In fact the definition is so poorly articulated that no-one is able to argue with any coherence for that. The ideas behind genderism are profoundly sexist. Politicians not standing up to be clear on these ideas need to go they are harming our children and young people.