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To give my 7months old 'tough love'?

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wednesdayjones · 25/01/2023 23:44

I feel like I'm a breaking point some day with my 7 months old. He is SO clingy, he's attached to me all day. I cannot go for the toilet without him (sometimes have to hold him as I do my business otherwise he'll scream even if I sit him next to me), I can't push a wash on as I have to hold him so I only ever have one arm free (unless he's napping).

Days are long and I just cannot see the end. We have to go for lunch with friends today and I'm dreading it so much - I know I won't be able to eat as I have to hold him. He doesn't even want my husband anymore.
DH has taken on all housework inc. cooking and cleaning. I'm struggling with just having to hold the baby ALL day, and I have to constantly MOVE because he gets bored after a minute and whinges. So I walk walk walk around the rooms, the garden - all day.

Husband said I have to just let him cry and stop him completely controlling me. I disagreed at first but today I put the bub down for a nap and of course he was crying, demanding I come in and rock him etc. I've just turned off the sound on the baby monitor and gone to the spare room and sat here crying. I have nothing left in me.

I get invited to mum catch-ups but they all have lunch in a cafe and mine just wouldn't sit in the pram and I'd have to hold him so I wouldn't even be able to have a coffee.

I feel like I've reached a point whether the baby breaks me or I break up his habits of being attached to me. Do I just let him scream next to me as I do some chores? I'd love to do chores as at least it helps to pass the day, but at the moment I just hold the baby 7am-7pm.

I am aware of separation anxiety so do I just wait for this to pass?

OP posts:
Seasonofthewitch83 · 26/01/2023 10:02

Hi OP

My DD was a total velcro baby and this age def felt the hardest personally until she started walking. I used to get so frustrated watching videos of other mums going about their day while their baby was totally invested in playing with like..a spoon. She didnt want to play with toys.
I would practice walking out the room and playing peekaboo - they are still learning about object permanence and learning that you can be out of sight but still come back.

I promise it gets better!

ArtixLynx · 26/01/2023 10:10

my oldest has ASD/ADHD.

He was very clingy at that age.. my go-to for some peace was the good old vibrating bouncy chair thing.

It kept him quiet for a few minutes, and if i needed to sit down and not hold him, i used to plot him in it and actively 'bounce' it with my foot, the movement/sensory input used to keep him quiet.. i meant i had both hands free, and i could still talk to him, but i could eat my food/do whatever while i was sat down.

Its not 'tough love' to pop baby down for a bit if you have things to do. treat it a bit like sleep training, start at a couple of minutes of letting him see you, but you're not holding him, and slowly extend it.

This too will pass. i promise.

Suprima · 26/01/2023 10:11

Babies absolutely do need to be left to cry so mum can shower, eat and drink a coffee whilst it’s warm. All v important to sanity.

I’m currently sat sorting laundry as my baby screams her head off because she’s overtired. Nipping over for kisses and cuddles, but I need to sort her clothes out or she’ll be wearing a Sainsbury’s bag as a onesie. She will just have to wait and I’ll see to her when I can.

But 7 month old babies can’t learn ‘independent play’. The poor mite is probably incredibly frustrated and WANTS to roll and move and play. Nor is a baby getting anything out of watching cartoons. She doesn’t want to watch them alone because she wants to be held.

Do you have a doorway bouncer or a sit me up so she can be a bit more independent? Even if it’s for 10 minutes at a time, it gives you a non shouty breather.

Will she have a snack at her highchair? I can have an hour’s ‘break’ easy if I pop DD in and keep passing her soft baby biscuits

Your DH needs to do more - ten minutes in garden for your pitiful ‘break’ is lazy and borderline mean. He should be taking baby for a long walk or to a cafe or
to aldi for some shopping. Maybe a regular class.

I suspect this is a man problem than a baby problem if that’s the extent of his help on this issue.

FigAndOlive · 26/01/2023 10:20

I am more convinced each day that Attachment Parenting, Instagram and Internet are ruining families, children and parenthood in our generation. I wonder if our grandmothers would have the time to post a question like this while raising their 4 or 5 children, a couple of them under 2, perhaps. With all the rules we have put in place today it is hard to have even half a child!

Sorry OP, this is not directed to you at all, I was this exact same mother last year when my baby was like this, with the added bonus that all naps had to be on me a dark room with white noise (she’s also a chunk, 99th percentile since I can remember and I am petite). I remember waking up in the morning with her cries and dreading the day I had ahead of me, carrying a baby all day long by myself. I looked everywhere online on how to wean her of contact naps and wanting to be held all the time and all I got was “enjoy the cuddles!”, “pop them in a sling and crack on! You’ll barely notice she’s in there” and I was going mad! I felt trapped because every single strategy I tried made her cry and I was convinced she would be traumatized for life as that’s the current trend going on. I’ll tell you what’s much worst then crying for a bit: divorced parents because mom is having a burnout and snapping at dad all the time, a disengaged parent during the day that has no energy because is not sleeping or eating properly, a baby put in front of the TV for hours on end because mom has no energy or headspace to take them for a stroll, etc… We, as parents, have limited “resources” (patience, energy, time, mental health) so it is not possible to co-sleep with 10 feeds a night, contact nap, cook organic food from scratch for all meals, going to baby clubs, morning strolls, reading 45 baby books holding them 7am-7pm while happily engaging with them.

Babies (as humans) are creature of habits. She’s got used to be held all the time so you have to gradually wean her out of it (the trick here is to expect some protest, and do it gradually - specially because you’ll still hold her and cuddle sometimes, just not ALL THE FREAKING TIME AS SOME PEOPLE SUGGEST). Please please please avoid the “pop in the sling and carry on” tips, there’s no way you want to introduce another bad habit, check the Attachment Parenting thread on reddit and see all the desperate moms asking for help because their 2/3 year olds want to be in the sling all day. That’s madness!

What I did (and I appreciate it might no work with your baby) was put her in the playmat and get her used to be close to me but not on me, so I played with her and tried to engage her with some specific toy. Once she was engaged with said toy I left for a few minutes to do chores/use the loo/whatever. There was some tears as she got used and then there was less tears, then she could stand a few minutes with no tears, then more minutes with no tears, etc… but you’ll find your own way of achieving it, just make sure to start and be consistent :) I have to say once I sorted her sleep/naps and encouraged to have more floor time (which is super important for their development btw) I am another mom to her! I look forward for our day together, I plan days out, when I am playing with her I am actually living the moment and engaging and she definitely feels it as our bond is much stronger now. Yes, she still has meltdowns every now and then when we’re out, and sometimes I still do chores with a crying baby but the difference for our family was night day. We’re even thinking of having another baby which was impossible before, and I am pretty sure it will be much easier since we won’t follow all the attachment crap as we did with her, I am a much more confident mom now since my acts are not ruled by “whatever stops her crying” and actual parenting, making the best decisions for her even if that means she’ll be upset for a while!

mtc2206 · 26/01/2023 10:21

I really feel for you! Separation anxiety is so hard on the primary caregiver. My first born was exactly the same as this at this age and I also found it very difficult emotionally and physically with all of the carrying. She got better and better with age after about 8 months and is now a very independent and confident 2.5 year old. So it does get better quite quickly. 🤗 I personally found that leaving her to CIO for small windows of a few minutes made it much worse and she’d cry so much she’d throw up. It just didn’t feel right to me and I quickly stopped it.

A few things that worked well for me during this phase:

  • I’d wear a sling when I needed to do food prep, laundry or clean something.
  • I slowly made my baby get used to the pram, facing me. This one thing changed my experience of being a mum from 6-12 months as I could leave the house and get fresh air and not be holding a baby in my arms 🙌🏼
  • I’d sit or lay next to her on the play mat while she played with her toys right next to me. I’d read a book or whatever.
  • I found some morning baby clubs because if I didn’t get out and do something, she’d be bored and high maintenance
  • I stopped giving her any screen time, because I read about how animations I particular are too fast for their brains to cope with, and makes them bored by real world stimulus, which isn’t as fast as animations. She quickly forgot about it and it made things easier.
  • offer bonjela and calpol if she wouldn’t sleep. Often it was teething pain!

don’t know if any of that could work for you too, but they all helped me to cope!

Try to give yourself some compassion. It feels hard because it is really hard and it’s okay to feel touched out, overwhelmed, completely exhausted.
I hope things get better for you over the coming weeks!

FourFour · 26/01/2023 10:32

@FigAndOlive I'm going to take your advice because I'm going through the same. I have an almost 3 month old though, although I feel we are going down the same path. My dd will not take her naps in her crib , but she will on the bed. I don't want to encourage that. She wants to be held constantly. I can't put her down for a second and she isn't a child that has her long predictable naps. She has short burst of naps, I can't start a thing because I know I have to stop in a few minutes. I know she's only 3 months, but I see us going the same path as my older ds. Everyone told me it passes quickly, for us he needed to be rocked to sleep and carried constantly till he was almost 3, he never played with anything alone or even me being a few feet away. I think that contributed to my pnd honestly. This time I need to get my dd a bit more detached. You are right in questioning how our gp did it with many, many more kids.

VivaVivaa · 26/01/2023 10:43

@FigAndOlive im not sure if your post was aimed at me, as I was the one who said my DS wanted to be carried around ‘all the freaking time’ as you quoted. I quite clearly stated in my post I did used to pop him down and let him cry and I also regularly left him with DH, despite having a strong preference for me. I wasn’t suggesting permanent carrying as a strategy at all, quite the opposite. Slings are great and I used mine a lot out and about, but I certainly didn’t use it with DS 24/7.

diddl · 26/01/2023 11:01

Must be really difficult.

Can't imagine not even putting a baby down to go to the loo tbh.

Streamside · 26/01/2023 11:30

I'm speaking from a perspective of it being about 16 yrs since I've had any similar issues but just wanted to make a few observations.
"Tough love"is a horrid and inappropriate term to use towards a baby who is just showing his total dependence on you. Reframing your attitude towards this stage of his development could make all the difference and I really am aware of how patronising that sounds.
Your baby has two parents and he needs to be engaging with both of you. This really is just a blip and you need to devise ways of getting through it without causing your child any negative effects. If he's reaching out to you after ten minutes with your partner then send your partner out with the baby by himself.
Your child will become an independent entity but he needs your help to find his way there.
You're obviously run ragged so take any help you can to get through this stage.

FigAndOlive · 26/01/2023 12:02

It honestly wasn’t! I just tried to avoid using the dirt word LOL

opencheese · 26/01/2023 12:10

I used to let mine cry if i needed the toilet or to do a chore like laundry

Absolutely

Life goes on

And don't avoid social activities. Get out and have adult time. He is not unusual

PollyPut · 26/01/2023 12:31

@wednesdayjones you can still go for lunch with other mums. There is nothing wrong with having him on your lap, or in a highchair with toys if that works. The other mums will be doing that soon too as theirs get older. Don't let that hold you back.

I wouldn't give them "tough love" as you put it - no.

BogRollBOGOF · 26/01/2023 12:57

Putting a baby down to use the toilet, shower, eat, drink etc is absolutely normal and essential. Where babies have older siblings, they can not be held 24/7 either. Before maternity leave, modern appliences, convenience food, it simply has not been possible for mothers to prevent crying with constant contact.

Dads need to be involved and build up caring for their babies, for both their benefits.

7m olds need to be developing their skills at sitting, crawling, handling objects. They can't have those opportunities to develop if they're never put down.

There can be reasons why babies cry a lot, digestive issues often cause babies to favour more upright positions. Items like jumperoos, bouncers, slings/ carriers can help with this much of the time, but you can't martyr yourself constantly and neglect your own needs, and exhausted, empty mums can't give the best care in the long term.

Marscleo · 26/01/2023 13:26

Mine was like this, I found 6-9 months the hardest actually which didn’t seem to match my friends experiences. She’s 19 months now and is no longer obsessed with me and it got so much better when she started to walk. It does pass but it’s so hard. I used to get so cross just trying to get ready of a morning with her screaming at me to hold her!

Maray1967 · 26/01/2023 13:46

FigAndOlive · 26/01/2023 10:20

I am more convinced each day that Attachment Parenting, Instagram and Internet are ruining families, children and parenthood in our generation. I wonder if our grandmothers would have the time to post a question like this while raising their 4 or 5 children, a couple of them under 2, perhaps. With all the rules we have put in place today it is hard to have even half a child!

Sorry OP, this is not directed to you at all, I was this exact same mother last year when my baby was like this, with the added bonus that all naps had to be on me a dark room with white noise (she’s also a chunk, 99th percentile since I can remember and I am petite). I remember waking up in the morning with her cries and dreading the day I had ahead of me, carrying a baby all day long by myself. I looked everywhere online on how to wean her of contact naps and wanting to be held all the time and all I got was “enjoy the cuddles!”, “pop them in a sling and crack on! You’ll barely notice she’s in there” and I was going mad! I felt trapped because every single strategy I tried made her cry and I was convinced she would be traumatized for life as that’s the current trend going on. I’ll tell you what’s much worst then crying for a bit: divorced parents because mom is having a burnout and snapping at dad all the time, a disengaged parent during the day that has no energy because is not sleeping or eating properly, a baby put in front of the TV for hours on end because mom has no energy or headspace to take them for a stroll, etc… We, as parents, have limited “resources” (patience, energy, time, mental health) so it is not possible to co-sleep with 10 feeds a night, contact nap, cook organic food from scratch for all meals, going to baby clubs, morning strolls, reading 45 baby books holding them 7am-7pm while happily engaging with them.

Babies (as humans) are creature of habits. She’s got used to be held all the time so you have to gradually wean her out of it (the trick here is to expect some protest, and do it gradually - specially because you’ll still hold her and cuddle sometimes, just not ALL THE FREAKING TIME AS SOME PEOPLE SUGGEST). Please please please avoid the “pop in the sling and carry on” tips, there’s no way you want to introduce another bad habit, check the Attachment Parenting thread on reddit and see all the desperate moms asking for help because their 2/3 year olds want to be in the sling all day. That’s madness!

What I did (and I appreciate it might no work with your baby) was put her in the playmat and get her used to be close to me but not on me, so I played with her and tried to engage her with some specific toy. Once she was engaged with said toy I left for a few minutes to do chores/use the loo/whatever. There was some tears as she got used and then there was less tears, then she could stand a few minutes with no tears, then more minutes with no tears, etc… but you’ll find your own way of achieving it, just make sure to start and be consistent :) I have to say once I sorted her sleep/naps and encouraged to have more floor time (which is super important for their development btw) I am another mom to her! I look forward for our day together, I plan days out, when I am playing with her I am actually living the moment and engaging and she definitely feels it as our bond is much stronger now. Yes, she still has meltdowns every now and then when we’re out, and sometimes I still do chores with a crying baby but the difference for our family was night day. We’re even thinking of having another baby which was impossible before, and I am pretty sure it will be much easier since we won’t follow all the attachment crap as we did with her, I am a much more confident mom now since my acts are not ruled by “whatever stops her crying” and actual parenting, making the best decisions for her even if that means she’ll be upset for a while!

Well said. OP, please read this and put the baby down for a bit! As I said, those of us who are parents of adults/teens know that some of this current advice to have them on you all the time etc is utter garbage.

LuckySantangelo35 · 26/01/2023 13:53

“Putting a baby down to use the toilet, shower, eat, drink etc is absolutely normal and essential”

i would love to see how anyone could argue against this!?

anyone?

Chilliee · 26/01/2023 13:57

LuckySantangelo35 · 26/01/2023 13:53

“Putting a baby down to use the toilet, shower, eat, drink etc is absolutely normal and essential”

i would love to see how anyone could argue against this!?

anyone?

This is Mumsnet, lots of people will say that it's ridiculous to put a baby down so you can have a piss 🤣

LuckySantangelo35 · 26/01/2023 15:31

Chilliee · 26/01/2023 13:57

This is Mumsnet, lots of people will say that it's ridiculous to put a baby down so you can have a piss 🤣

Crazy isn’t it?!

what are you supposed to do - piss yourself?!

Hello12345678910 · 26/01/2023 16:17

I do understand the feeling - mine 9 months - my arms literally ached at the end of the day - but he will only be this little once ❤️

Is he crawling yet? - mine started at 7 months 2 weeks - honestly it changes everything!!

Chilliee · 26/01/2023 16:22

LuckySantangelo35 · 26/01/2023 15:31

Crazy isn’t it?!

what are you supposed to do - piss yourself?!

According to lots on here yes 🤣🤣

wednesdayjones · 26/01/2023 16:41

PollyPut · 26/01/2023 12:31

@wednesdayjones you can still go for lunch with other mums. There is nothing wrong with having him on your lap, or in a highchair with toys if that works. The other mums will be doing that soon too as theirs get older. Don't let that hold you back.

I wouldn't give them "tough love" as you put it - no.

Last time I had lunch with a mum 3 months ago, of course mine refused to sit in a pram. I did hold him but he was grabbing everything. I ended up wearing half of my lunch, and couldn't have a coffee. I ended up standing and rocking my baby whilst my friend had her lunch at the table.
Mums group went similar way.

I haven't been back since.

OP posts:
Problemorno · 26/01/2023 16:53

7/8 months is peak time for separation anxiety if I remember correctly. My 7 month old is the same at the moment and so was his older sister at that age. It did pass but it was tough.

Being a second child, sometimes I HAVE to leave DS to cry whilst I sort his sister out. Obviously I'm not advocating leaving him for hours on end, but the odd few minutes? Inevitable. It absolutely won't harm him, otherwise every 2nd or subsequent child would be emotionally damaged!

bagpuss90 · 26/01/2023 17:22

Maybe not a helpful post but I was just thinking years ago when people had big families and those poor women had like 12 kids and sod more. My great grandparents all came from huge families -I’m damned sure they didn’t carry their babies about all day . It just wasn’t possible and I’m also sure that entire generations didn’t grow up traumatised. They survived and so will your little one. Be kind to yourself xx

bagpuss90 · 26/01/2023 17:22

Sod? Meant to read some 🙄

CatLoaf · 26/01/2023 17:38

Sounds so hard :/ Socialising is so important, I'm sorry you're so hindered from doing it atm.
Those saying they're only little once...well, yeah. But sounds like OP is absolutely miserable, and even a day seems long, let alone 'just a few more months' . 😳