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3 year old member of Mensa.

268 replies

Toddlerteaplease · 23/01/2023 17:38

Article in todays Times, (don't know how to link)
AIBU to think this is ridiculous, let him be a toddler, nurture his interests of course. But this is OTT, and asking for trouble. Apparently he wants to go to university and be a doctor. Confused

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Legrandetraitor · 24/01/2023 11:27

Puffin87 · 24/01/2023 11:01

I don't see the point of sitting a Mensa test. My cousin is a member and has it displayed on her linkedin, but it's probably because she's insecure about dropping out of uni after first year. She has a high paying job regardless.

Most of my extended family could probably join Mensa after taking the test, but don't have any need to.

I wouldn't sit one because I know I get treated a lot better than other people with my diagnosis (bipolar) due to my job. I don't like the idea that IQ is used to make having a certain diagnosis (autism etc) appealing.

it is very helpful to ensure your child receives the additional help they need at school/you are taken seriously. And it’s a very good support network of other parents and advice/professional advice.

Ncgirlseriously · 24/01/2023 11:35

@Legrandetraitor It’s a fact that hyperlexia tends to correlate with autism, and as a parent of an autistic child who taught himself to read, what exactly is wrong with being autistic?

While I agree that people who are saying the parents are pushy or the child will struggle later are being mean spirited- I find it a completely neutral observation that children like this do tend to be autistic, and nothing stops autistic children from being happy and content, nor does it take away from their achievements.

Legrandetraitor · 24/01/2023 11:36

Ncgirlseriously · 24/01/2023 11:35

@Legrandetraitor It’s a fact that hyperlexia tends to correlate with autism, and as a parent of an autistic child who taught himself to read, what exactly is wrong with being autistic?

While I agree that people who are saying the parents are pushy or the child will struggle later are being mean spirited- I find it a completely neutral observation that children like this do tend to be autistic, and nothing stops autistic children from being happy and content, nor does it take away from their achievements.

I just don’t see why people need to speculate on it!

SweetSakura · 24/01/2023 11:37

Legrandetraitor · 24/01/2023 11:25

It’s so tasteless people speculating that he might be autistic just because many high Iq people are. The categories of people commenting seem to be “HA! Well he might be autistic” “HA! He probably isn’t that bright” “HA! My child can do this too”

why can’t people just be nice? Why does everyone have to be competitive or envious? I totally don’t think the family should have gone to the media but why do people here have to be such dicks about a child.

It is possible to be a genius without being autistic, whilst still being a happy and contented child and without having pushy parents. The exceptional do exist. Not everyone who has read early or been good at something ends up a genius, no. But a few people do.

people on MN are so genuinely hateful sometimes

I don't think it's being dickish to suggest going to the media about this was at best naïve.

I do agree that it's frustrating to see the automatic assumption that anyone very bright must also be autistic. Correct that a parent ought to be alert to the possibility but it is possible to be very bright and not autistic.

Tenuouslink · 24/01/2023 11:37

Toddlerteaplease · 23/01/2023 17:45

Because he needs to be allowed to be a 3 year old child. Learning social skills etc appropriate for his age. There is more to like than academic achievement. Other child prodigies have really struggled later in life.

who says he isn’t!?

you sound very bitter

SweetSakura · 24/01/2023 11:39

@Ncgirlseriously they won't necessarily be autistic though. And that's an important distinction.

Toddlerteaplease · 24/01/2023 11:39

@Tenuouslink I'm not bitter at all. I have nothing to be bitter about.

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Tenuouslink · 24/01/2023 11:40

Toddlerteaplease · 24/01/2023 11:39

@Tenuouslink I'm not bitter at all. I have nothing to be bitter about.

Yeah I’m not buying it.

There is no indication this child isn’t also being able to live a normal toddler existence, he just also happens to be incredibly bright

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/01/2023 11:41

Toddlerteaplease · Yesterday 17:45
Because he needs to be allowed to be a 3 year old child“

He is, he’s being the 3 year old child he is which is presumably different to the 3 year old child yours is.

Cant get worked up about other parents facilitating their own child’s particular interests.

gogohmm · 24/01/2023 11:43

He's local to me, parents are not pushy and he's getting a well rounded childhood. My dd could read at 3 too, self taught, she's autistic

Thepeopleversuswork · 24/01/2023 11:43

@Legrandetraitor

why can’t people just be nice? Why does everyone have to be competitive or envious? I totally don’t think the family should have gone to the media but why do people here have to be such dicks about a child.

Literally no one is being a dick about a child. A few people have questioned the validity of Mensa and a lot of people have suggested that its nuts to put a three year old child up in front of the media as some budding genius. And I stand by this to be honest. The parents have been incredibly reckless and selfish for doing this.

In no way is this a reflection of any negative views on the kid. I think he's a lamb to the slaughter of his parents' vanity and I feel deeply sorry for him and hope someone out there has his back.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 24/01/2023 11:44

Tenuouslink · 24/01/2023 11:40

Yeah I’m not buying it.

There is no indication this child isn’t also being able to live a normal toddler existence, he just also happens to be incredibly bright

No indication?

The fact that his parents have chosen to publicise this in the national media is a very strong indicator indeed that they are pushy parents who are highly invested in their child being special. I'd be surprised if he was being encouraged to live a normal toddler life.

AngelinaFibres · 24/01/2023 11:45

Jellycats4life · 23/01/2023 17:52

I would be going for an autism assessment, not a Mensa assessment, but hey ho.

Self-taught precocious reading is hyperlexia and most hyperlexics are autistic, just before anyone jumps on me.

This. They seemed thrilled. I would be very worried.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 24/01/2023 11:46

In no way is this a reflection of any negative views on the kid. I think he's a lamb to the slaughter of his parents' vanity and I feel deeply sorry for him and hope someone out there has his back.

I agree. I hope he has someone in his life who is more down to earth about the realities of life as a very bright child, and who isn't invested in the status of it.

MereDintofPandiculation · 24/01/2023 11:46

SouthLondonMum22 · 23/01/2023 17:51

I think the child and children like him are more likely to struggle later in life no matter what because they are so different compared to their peers, especially growing up.

Well, they’re not “so different” are they? MENSA is for top 2%, so one in 50. Or one kid in two standard school classes. Even if he’s in the top half percent, on in two hundred, IQ is a continuum, with most in the middle, so statistically there will be numerically more kids within 10 IQ points below him than within 10 points above him.

At one time MENSA used to actively discourage applications from children.

I wouldn’t think the publicity is great for him, it will set up expectations both good and bad.

IQ is no guarantee of achievement in life, more important is an ability to persuade people and a driving urge in a single direction. High IQ without these two can lead to a feeling of failure, that even if you are earning a good living and bringing up a happy and capable family, that you haven’t achieved the earth shattering changes that someone of your IQ “should” have done.

Wookiebowl · 24/01/2023 11:50

ProbablyRomanticised · 23/01/2023 23:46

Counting is a rote skill, denoting excellent verbal memory. Doing it in other languages isn't indicative of "fluency" in those languages. I can count to 10 in Japanese, Latin, Italian, French, German, Swahili, Spanish and English. I am absolutely not fluent in any language other than English.

The sums on the board in a picture in the newspaper article are laid out so an algorithm can be followed; again, this can be learned by rote with an understanding of English numbers to 20. Does he know what the answer would be if he had 5 people coming to play and each wanted 15 marshmallows?

I mean he's obviously got exceptional categorisation and rote skills. Can he apply that knowledge?

Rote learning is the knowledge (eg from reading or watching a video) that salt dissolves and sand does not. Application of this is the ability to design an experiment to prove this and separate salt from sand. The latter is more sophisticated.

Good luck to him; but I do think IQ testing in this very early age range is particularly inaccurate as a predictor of life success as it so emphasises rote skills and exposure knowledge (eg the names of the oceans, the points of the compass, days of the week in order etc).

Are you okay? Seems quite wild to try and undermine the achievement of a 3 year old for no real reason.

Wookiebowl · 24/01/2023 11:52

Also plenty of parents are approached by the media for various things, I'm sure if it wasn't for achieving something fairly unique people wouldn't be as critical of the parents. But hey, not bitter are you ;) there's no indication that they pushed him through this and then approached the media selling their story.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 24/01/2023 11:54

Wookiebowl · 24/01/2023 11:52

Also plenty of parents are approached by the media for various things, I'm sure if it wasn't for achieving something fairly unique people wouldn't be as critical of the parents. But hey, not bitter are you ;) there's no indication that they pushed him through this and then approached the media selling their story.

Plenty of people are approached. But sensible parents would say no. That's part of parenting, surely? Protecting your child when they are too young to know what's best for themselves.

Nobody could possibly think that it's in the best interests of a 3yo child to be featured in the media for this, surely?

AreOttersJustWetCats · 24/01/2023 11:56

There are so many examples of young 'prodigies' who were pushed into the media spotlight at a young age to satisfy the vanity of their parents. We all know that it doesn't usually end well.

Wookiebowl · 24/01/2023 11:57

AreOttersJustWetCats · 24/01/2023 11:54

Plenty of people are approached. But sensible parents would say no. That's part of parenting, surely? Protecting your child when they are too young to know what's best for themselves.

Nobody could possibly think that it's in the best interests of a 3yo child to be featured in the media for this, surely?

What about it though do you find troubling? Obviously there's something in particular about 'this' news you feel is different from other parents who allow their children to be in the papers, what is it?

AreOttersJustWetCats · 24/01/2023 11:59

Wookiebowl · 24/01/2023 11:57

What about it though do you find troubling? Obviously there's something in particular about 'this' news you feel is different from other parents who allow their children to be in the papers, what is it?

No, I pretty much always object to parents choosing to promote their children in the media.

I guess the exception would be children fundraising for something (a disability or illness), or where the child is old enough to have had input into the devision themselves.

SweetSakura · 24/01/2023 12:20

I agree @AreOttersJustWetCats I cannot see any benefit to the child from this media attention. At best it was incredibly naive of the parents to agree to it.

Most people who move in intelligent circles know full well that mensa membership isn't something to get excited about.

And most people who have any knowledge of how the media operate would do their best to keep their children out of the spotlight

ClearRunning · 24/01/2023 12:37

Tenuouslink · 24/01/2023 11:37

who says he isn’t!?

you sound very bitter

They do sound bitter, clueless and very judgemental. Some people just aren’t happy with their own lives.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 24/01/2023 12:38

There are loads of stories like this in the media. Most of them drop out of sight within a matter of days and are never thought of again. It's not an automatic mathway to Ruth Lawrence levels of exposure.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 24/01/2023 12:38

ha! great typo there. Pathway, of course.