I am scared of being nuked

[FamousPrincess]

Just as Putin went a bit quiet and the UK, USA, France and a few ex-eastern block countries started ramping up the rehtrotic, sabre rattling of more weapons. We no find ourselves IE the UK and the others bullying the germans into sending a few tanks that will not make a big difference or any difference but is seen as a red line by Putin.

Don't forget that Ukraine is claimed to have more tanks and armoured personnel carriers that the start of the war as they claim to have captured hundreds of abandoned tanks. So why do they need more, they actually don't. Giving these German taksn you need to train them, the parts will be difficult, repairs will be difficult the ammunition will be difficult, so why take the risk?

Ukriane had a pro-eastern leader before the current one. When Ukraine had their elections, American senetors were canvassing for the current pro-western man. Imagine a vote on Scotland's independence and we had Russians canvasing there

In the east of the Ukraine,, they were as bad as the others before the invasion by Putin.

Read this

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11661589/PETER-HITCHENS-Sending-Ukraine-tanks-turn-Europe-one-big-radioactive-graveyard.html#newcomment

The possibility of the UK being tested out with a nuke off our cost on on an isolated part on the UK is real and present becuse of the stance we are taking and we and others are giving her what it needs to defend themselves but to push them into the Crimea is a step to far at the risk of nuclear war

AIBU to think that sending a few tanks will tip Putin over the edge as I'm worried a lot.

I spent my early teens petrified of being nuked - not spending the rest of my life worrying- nobody knows what will happen- what will be will be. I genuinely think the chance of a nuke is incredibly small.

I'm not worried at all. We don't stock tactical nukes, and Putin knows the potential outcome of a nuclear war - a strategic strike!

Contrary to what he makes out, he is still rational and will need his generals to agree to a nuclear strike- which I doubt they will agree to. Either way, I'd rather be nuked than live in a world where Russia rules!

I think you are as well. Interesting post from a newbie.

I'd be far more concerned about being overcome by the rotten stench coming from our own government at present if I were you.

I just saw the name Peter Hitchens and didn't bother reading any further..

@Tukmgru well said. As for you OP, do a bit of digging on Hitchens and his views, the man is a professional pot-stirrer.

The people who want to take over after Putin won't want him to start a nuclear war will they? How are they going to build their new luxury dacha and fill their boots via shell companies within shell companies based in Cyprus.

What Putin wants may not be aligned with the people who are standing behind him. Putin is in poor health and so there will be others behind the scenes who will be planning the long term strategy in their best interests not his.

Oh you did mean “nuked” I thought it was a misspelling and you were scared of being naked 😂😂😂

Sorry OP, but I do find your badly researched post annoying. I was thinking “bot” but there are too many typos for that.

As pps have said, plenty of people are already suffering from Putin’s atrocities and have been doing so for almost a year. Hundreds of thousands have died - some of them after torture or rape.

I don’t think anyone will go nuclear but if they do there would be nothing we could do to prevent or mitigate it.

Above all, if you’re going to “educate” us please watch for potentially confusing typos… and do your research.

True but sadly those that disagree with the deranged Putin often die and many Genralls and other ex mates have gone missing/dead.

Does Peter hitchens really think anyone who is sane wants to press the big red button and nuke their own relatives?

I don't believe it, these people have wives , children etc I'm sure they want peace and money and get back on yacht's in the med....buy football clubs again!

there were many Russian speaking people in the east that felt they were not treated well

That is not true. It is a false Russian propaganda talking point.

The only language that has ever been discriminated against in Ukraine is Ukrainian.

OP - please clarify what you mean by this:

“putin will target UK and rightly so”

are you saying your fear is right or Putin’s decision to target the UK would be right?

With respect, the only reason that what you are saying is being undermined is because most of it is wrong.

Zelensky is a native Russian speaker FFS. His whole acting/comedy career - everything he produced was in Russian.

Russian was seen as the language of intellectuals and the elite; Ukrainian as the language of peasants and country bumpkins.

Since 2014, there have been some efforts to redress the balance between the two languages, ensuring that Ukrainian speakers have access to public services in their native language. This is very similar to efforts to preserve the Welsh language in Wales. You wouldn’t say that this means English speakers are discriminated against - so why do you think it constitutes discrimination against Russians?

You are also making the mistaken assumption that speaking Russian means someone is pro-Russian. There are millions of patriotic Ukrainians who speak Russian as their first language, including Zelensky and his wife. It has never been an issue.

Not taking my news from the daily mail.... sorry!

Lots of gaslighting in this thread.
OP you are not stupid or ignorant to be appalled and worried. Who wouldn’t be? Meanwhile the world’s arms dealers and manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank.

If Russian speakers are so discriminated against in Ukraine, then why did Ukrainians elect a native Russian speaker as their president just 3.5 years ago?

Zelensky didn’t even speak fluent Ukrainian when he was elected. He said this in a 2019 interview about how he was trying to get better at Ukrainian:

“The level of the Ukrainian language, in my opinion, is growing. I know that there are mistakes with accent marks and some words. I want to speak better. Perhaps, one can’t know the language one hundred percent. But I’m trying to master it, practice it, speak more, better with smart people. I talked with a person in Russian and sometimes forgot the words, and I said to the person next to me the Ukrainian word and asked how to say it in Russian. That is, it sometimes happens to me when I know a word in Ukrainian and forget how to say it in Russian,”

You’re worrying about something you can’t change which is a complete waste of time

I remember

Bombarded with it
Leaflets
DocuDrama
Dramas
Songs

I refuse to worry again but I get your Fear OP I really truly do.

I'm not worried. If it happens you won't feel anything. Be nice and quick

None of us know for sure whether Putin's sabre-rattling nuke threats will ever come to anything. However, we simply cannot allow him to do whatever he wants on the off-chance that he might be psychotic enough to go nuclear. We cannot stand by and allow Ukraine to be consumed by Russia. Not only is it morally wrong but Putin would simply regroup, rearm and look for his next victim state.

History shows us very clearly that trying to appease unhinged dictators does not end well.

Another thing to consider. The past 10 months have revealed that Russia's conventional armed forces are not nearly as powerful as was previously believed. Corruption, outdated military thinking and equipment that is almost obsolete and barely serviceable being some of the reasons for that. Who's to say how much of their nuclear arsenal is in a usable state? Of course, it only takes a few ICBMs to get through to cause carnage. It would be foolish though to assume that NATO has not being doing everything possible to bolster our defensive and pre-emptive capabilities since Putin first started willy-waggling about his nuclear option.

Not necessarily depends on the size and location of detonation

Personally I think he wants to do it anyway. It’s just a question of whether we hand him the reason or he makes one up

Yes to all of the above. In addition, the Russians have not said that western tanks would be a red line and they would make a massive difference in Ukraine's ability to take back territory as they are vastly better than the Russian ones they have captured.

You're also wrong about the Leopards being hard to maintain and supply. The Ukrainians want them because they are so widely used in Europe that there is an ample supply of spare parts and technicians who can repair them, as close as Poland in fact. They also use NATO standard ammunition, which is in plentiful supply.

So your entire post is based on misinformation and falsehoods. Well done, OP.