Is it time the parents were punished as well when their teenagers murder people.

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A youth has been found guilty today of stabbing a 53 year old man outside a supermarket in Redditch. Ian Kirwin.
The teenage gang had gone out looking for trouble and stabbed this man after he challenged them about their bad behaviour in a supermarket toilet where they had urinated on the floor and banged loudly on his cubicle door.
When is this thuggish and horrible behaviour going to end?

Isn't it time the parents of these feral teenagers were held to account now?
How can it be nothing to do with them when their offspring are out with knives?
Does anything ever happen to parents of these teenagers?
What happens to other children they may have are they taken away from them?

Aren't they bloody embarrassed that they have raised little shits?
Boils my piss. Nothing ever changes.
You can't even name the teenagers, everything's on the yobbos side?
Isn't it time we asked about the parents and held them partly responsible.
How will it change otherwise?

YABU

Half the parents are doing everything they can but can’t control them and the other half don’t give a shit and are abusive, so the’ getting punished would mean the kid getting punished and then the kid taking it out on everyone else even more.

There has to be stricter rules for teens though.

I think having a curfew with an electronic tag for trouble makers would help as it’s always the same ones causing the problems and making other teens miserable.

Many also just go along with it so actually by having a tag will mean they are removed from that group sometimes.

It will also mean the parents are able to spend more time with them in the evenings and parent them better.

This is so true.

This!!

Don’t blame the parents, most are doing the best job they can.

My sister was horrid when she was a teenager, arrested every night of the week at one point, drugs, smashing my mums house up, she put a brick through my mums front window and attacked my mum frequently. Police did not want to know nor did social services. Social services tried to get my mum done when she blocked my sister hitting her and caught her in the face accidentally.

My mum didn’t bring us up badly, all her other kids are normal hardworking people who abide the law.

I know another ‘thug’ whose parents are also really decent.

How do you even know he has parents? I’m not condoning his behaviour but there’s usually a reason why children behave this way. He could be in care, had a lifetime of trauma and abuse and zero support, may have bounced from foster carer to foster care and ended up in a Childrens home with no loving adults in his life, nobody to show him this isn’t the way to behave.

OK I will. A ‘bloody good hiding’ teaches a child nothing, except that it’s OK to hit your kids, an attitude which leads them to beat the living daylights out of their own kids because ‘my parents did it to me’. And so it goes, violence passed down the generations. Probably one of the reasons teenagers kill - unresolved anger is a powerful emotion in a teenager who hasn’t learned to control their feelings.

Even if this was a thing (which I categorically believe it shouldn't be) what would it achieve?

I've got a friend who has a 15 year old who is completely off the rails. He's bigger than her and when he wants to leave the house the police have told her to let him, not that she could physically stop him. Her other 2 children are completely fine; they're doing great at school and are happy polite kids.

She is trying her best

Agree. Some are just born wrong, others get in with the wrong crowd - not all delinquent kids have dreadful, uncaring parents.

Some parents are absent because they are at the pub - but many are absent because they are working al the hours God sends to try to keep a roof over their kids' heads, and food on the table.

It's toosimplixtic to say "blame the parents".

Yep, and it’s predominantly this type who’s kids shoot up schools in America. But let’s jail all the working class parents who have been unable to access anything their kid needs.

*too simplistic

No, but there should be a serious case review into the local authority like there would be if a child died or was badly injured. Then, the efforts of the parents trying to get helpful interventions would be seen, and the LA would have to make changes.

One of the most ridiculous statement I've heard in a very very longtime.

OP doesn't care, she knows her opinion and she won't be chaging it.

Most knife crime involving young people is gang related. Organised crime recruiting vulnerable children to do the dirty work for them.

"We" need to deal with the criminals and the things that make these children so vulnerable. Poverty, trauma, abuse, additional needs.

Assuming the LA had the funds to make those changes.

Yeah so given the fact that kids with special needs commit more crimes, you'd be punishing parents for having kids with special needs?

There's a word for that.

We should be looking to Scotland and Glasgow in particular. They treated it like a health problem and have had good results. Glasgow was the stabbing capital city at one point.

From an outside perspective, some families look like they're doing their very best because they work, the children are clean and fed, but if you really looked at the behaviour behind closed doors, you would see lack of emotional support, neglect and other forms of abuse. It's happened to me. I was called the black sheep of the family but it wasn't until I had my own children and lived away from my family for some years, I realise I was emotionally neglected, gaslighted, physically and emotionally abused. But I remember people telling me that my family were so nice why was I misbehaving.

This. If we're going to hold the parents accountable, let's start with absent fathers who aren't around, don't contribute and allow their children to grow up in poverty.

Teenagers want to fit in with their peers and they push boundaries. For those who live in areas troubled by gang violence and who don't have the money to move, it's not as simple as 'blame the parents'. There's often only one parent working long hours in a low paid job for the family to survive.

^ I agree - it's ridiculous to imagine society's issues can all be solved by a simplistic Jackbooted appraoch.

Someone should punish Boris Johnson’s and Prince Harry’s parents on this logic too, methinks. We should always put Mummy and/or Daddy in the dock with their offspring. 😂

In theory yes, the parents should be held responsible, but how that could actually be applied is another question, often they are people who themselves have no respect for the law.
Parents who fail to teach their children from an early age to have respect, fail to teach one of the most important character building blocks of life.
They must start bringing in much harsher sentencing for acts such as the OP mentioned, a pat on the head and go and be a good boy doesn’t work. There has to be severe punishment for such violent crimes otherwise what’s the deterrent … absolutely nothing!

There was a thread on here the other discussing the positive impact of not criminalising young people who commit crimes. More positive outcomes apparently.

Obviously so as their crimes go unrecorded and the rest of society lives in fear that one day they will be the unlucky one who gets killed. Most of us encounter kids like this at every turn, daily. Knowing full well that youth crime is basically police sanctioned.

Perhaps if there were effective consequences then we wouldn’t need to go after parents.

Woefully ignorant. How basic can you be?

Absolutely ridiculous. Life just isn't that simple.