Is it time the parents were punished as well when their teenagers murder people.

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A youth has been found guilty today of stabbing a 53 year old man outside a supermarket in Redditch. Ian Kirwin.
The teenage gang had gone out looking for trouble and stabbed this man after he challenged them about their bad behaviour in a supermarket toilet where they had urinated on the floor and banged loudly on his cubicle door.
When is this thuggish and horrible behaviour going to end?

Isn't it time the parents of these feral teenagers were held to account now?
How can it be nothing to do with them when their offspring are out with knives?
Does anything ever happen to parents of these teenagers?
What happens to other children they may have are they taken away from them?

Aren't they bloody embarrassed that they have raised little shits?
Boils my piss. Nothing ever changes.
You can't even name the teenagers, everything's on the yobbos side?
Isn't it time we asked about the parents and held them partly responsible.
How will it change otherwise?

In some cases, there may be parents who don't care and have been neglectful to the point where their kid has gone this badly off the rails. But for most, I think that parents try. Some just aren't great because of their own struggles and are doing their best, but their best isn't very good. Others will have been begging for help, for referrals, for interventions for years without success.

I think we need to demand more and better intervention where families are struggling to overcome these problems.

A young person has ended one man's life and ruined their own life, too. It's an absolute tragedy.

We don't punish people for other people's mistakes/crimes

My friend is a naice white middle class / solid working class family. She's a teacher and her husband is a plumber.

Their son is completely off the rails. He's committed all kinds of crimes.

Why the fuck would they need to be punished?

Their other two kids are fine by the way. Just that one is totally off the rails.

YABU
Teens are not like dogs where you are fully responsible if they maul/kill someone.

It's not always the parents fault. Often there's just one bad apple and the rest of the siblings are absolutely fine so how would punishing parents be justifiable in this case?

Where I live the parents aren't "going spare" 🤣 fuck sake they are as feral as their children. There may be some parents who do care and have raised their children well and are trying to help them.
We had an incident here recently robbed cars racing around a housing estate putting children at risk that were out playing. Police turn up and the people in the robbed cars rammed the police cars while the residents cheered them on. Turns out there was a father and son in one of the cars. The mother was also arrested for throwing a bottle at a police officer. I know many want to believe these children get in with a wrong crowd but it's rarely the case.
So yes op the parents should be held accountable

You realise the whole punishing the whole family for one person’s crime is the stuff of despot dictatorships right?

YAB completely U.

Teenagers are influenced by their peers. There's a reason why 'get in with the wrong crowd' is a saying.

Parents can try to stop their stroppy teenagers from going out and mixing, but this escalates

Surely it needs to be assessed as to whether you're the kind of parent who has taught, shown, asked, begged, pleaded, punished, praised, loved and cried over a teenager that you just can't help anymore; or the kind of parent who doesn't give a fuck as long as the kid is out of their way...

... and can end up with a teen going off the rails. It's much more complex than just the parenting.

@JackieDaws - here is you answer!

Perhaps it's time we did when they are minors?
You never even hear the parents issue a heartfelt apology either.
Not that, that is any use but you don't even get it?

Going by this logic, surely the parents of the 40 year old criminal should also be punished? As it's clearly their fault their child grew up to be a criminal- a result of their parenting?

Parents may have parental responsibility for teenagers but good luck trying to control one if they're determined to do something. Good luck trying to get help from CAMHS, SS etc.

I was being sarcastic. It shouldn't matter whether you're anything - any colour or class.

If your child is above the age of criminal responsibility then it's them and then alone that should be punished.

I know of a person who killed five people. Murdered 'em.

It would be hard to hold the parents accountable though, given they were two of those killed.

He had severe mental health issues that had tragically gone unnoticed, and untreated.

YABU

I live in an area of London where knife crime is massive.

And when you peel away the layers of problems, it very very often boils down to the absent parent, not the parent doing their best to raise their kids.

Oh I'm sorry I didn't get it '😊

Turn it into a political rant why don't you..
Nothing to do with government it's to do with those who are raising the children today.

What do you think it would achieve OP? Assuming this is even halfway genuine, why? Do you think parents would have done something differently with the threat of jail for their DC behaviour?

In reality you almost always mean mother because fathers are long gone. Is that OK with you?

What about parents who have been let down by every authority they tried to access help from?

What about parents whose own parenting was sadly lacking, leaving them without parenting skills/any understanding of what parenting should be? Are we going to jail the GPs too?

I sat in a professionals meeting with the parent of one of these "ferral" children today. Mum has been begging for help ever since he witnessed the suicide of a friend. He has been hospitalised himself. Almost all these children have suffered significant trauma to bring them to this place and if you can't understand that you need to consider yourself very fortunate.

I think that your opinions might change if your husband or child was killed by one of these kids

@PreparationPreparationPrep it might be me I'm autistic and I'm shit at getting it right when I try to be smart

@Flapjackquack
The word you are looking for is 'Sippenhaft'

Why do they need help?
Why is it someone else's problem?

If every parental request for mental health intervention for their child was met with quality care, perhaps we could believe parents hold more responsibility. Until then, society is just as culpable.

Why do they need help?
Why is it someone else's problem?

Erm, because they are not doctors and mental health specialists, with the knowledge and ability to address the underlying issues?
Because if certain types of issues go untreated, they become someone else's problem - e.g. when they hurt or kill someone, and if they'd got the help they needed, that might not have happened?