Is it time the parents were punished as well when their teenagers murder people.

[dottypotter]

A youth has been found guilty today of stabbing a 53 year old man outside a supermarket in Redditch. Ian Kirwin.
The teenage gang had gone out looking for trouble and stabbed this man after he challenged them about their bad behaviour in a supermarket toilet where they had urinated on the floor and banged loudly on his cubicle door.
When is this thuggish and horrible behaviour going to end?

Isn't it time the parents of these feral teenagers were held to account now?
How can it be nothing to do with them when their offspring are out with knives?
Does anything ever happen to parents of these teenagers?
What happens to other children they may have are they taken away from them?

Aren't they bloody embarrassed that they have raised little shits?
Boils my piss. Nothing ever changes.
You can't even name the teenagers, everything's on the yobbos side?
Isn't it time we asked about the parents and held them partly responsible.
How will it change otherwise?

@dottypotter are you going to actually engage with the thread or just keep posting goady soundbites?

This Be The Verse

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

If you can't go home because your parent who is an addict or abuser is there or your house is mouldy and overcrowded, you are forced to go out most of the day.

Can't you see how you'd end up in trouble when no adults are paying attention to the low level stuff?

It's not an excuse but like in Lord of the Flies, no adults around is likely to end up with serious consequences.

Stop putting everything down to mental health, most are just feral evil thugs who are not punished enough by the courts

Philip Larkin?

@strumper seems like your will fully misreading what I was saying. I said possibly has a wider support network. My main point was that a stable background meant at least ONE loving parent/carer who instills values.

I don't know why you think that is demonising single parents.

Obviously in an ideal world we'd all have a wide support network. I don't have that either.

Indeed.

And he were a right twat!

Suella, is that you?

Good point about richer families - some of the Extinction Rebellion types are reported to be public school educated etc and the police can't even deal with them committing crimes on camera.

How are you measuring all that you said in the post about parent (not carer) and support for the parent?

How do you objectively manage if someone is a good parent who instils values?

What four of them have all got mouldy homes they can't go home too and that's why they have no respect for anyone .

No, you’re correct boredom is no excuse.

But lack of funding for youth and social hubs, lack of funding in education, lack of funding within the NHS and the mental health system has a lot to answer for. Not the parents.

No, should our parents be accountable for everything we do in life? Parenting is only part of how a child turns out and no parents wants their child to be a murderer. What if a teenager is showing no signs of violence to the parents ? Are the parents supposed to follow their child around until their 18 to make sure they never do anything wrong?

@dottypotter if they're all from the same block of flats or estate it's likely that they do all have mouldy homes yes. Or don't you watch the news? Some estates have every single dwelling covered in mould and the councils don't want to fix it. And won't if the resident has instigated formal action.

Your privilege is showing.

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/15/women-killed-by-sons-violence-children-parents-britain-abuse

In my experience two types of teens tend to end up like this :

1. Vulnerable teens (be that due to poverty,abuse,neglect, trauma,SEN or mental health difficulties etc).

1. Extremely entitled teens. (Mostly due to lack of consequences,protection from consequences,can do no wrong etc) . Ironically these tend to be from "stable" , financially secure families.

Well that will teach them for being such terrible parents won’t it.

(Sarcasm in case anyone misses it with the amount of Neanderthal responses on here).

I agree that murderers are not punished enough. Especially teenage murderers.

But, mental health does play a big part. Wether that’s the perpetrator’s own MH, or their parents or guardians.

It’s very rare for someone to pick up a weapon and brutally murder someone at random. Something, most likely during childhood (a trauma, abuse etc) has caused them to be conditioned and influenced to take certain paths and make certain choices.

Life isn’t black and white.

@strumpert you can't measure it, clearly. Some kids can go off the rails, despite having the stable background of someone who loves them and shows them right from wrong.

My question is, in these cases what is the cause? People up thread have already talked about kids from loving homes stabbing people to death. Where does that anger come from?

It seems like you're trying to get me to say I think it's all the fault of single parents? Which is strange given that you don't my circumstances.

PS @dottypotter it's "go home to" not "too".

Yours

A shitty single parent.

Yep! Those women should be fucking punished.

Well that is a fucking stupid concept.

Maybe we should parade them through the streets and get the burghers to throw excrement at them?

If you don't think that there's thousands of families who can't afford to heat their homes this winter or deal with mould (cost or reliance on council or housing association who dodges them ) then you're deluded. Many people are stuck in substandard housing because it's so ridiculously expensive and in short supply.

Stop talking rubbish a mouldy home is just an excuse.