That schools should not be telling children they are born in the wrong bodies?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11646881/I-asked-daughters-teachers-not-call-boy-reported-social-services.html?s=08

This is so alarming now - just how many children do we think are born in the wrong bodies?

Is this not now just science fiction?

YABU - Rainbows are magic

YANBU - It's brainwashing. No child is born in the wrong body and schools must be held to account.

I'm still waiting for a definition of trans, please.

I want kids not to have to wait years and years before getting the right help for gender dysphoria.

So does Dr Cass.

YANBU.

The false equivalence between trans and gay is cynical and tedious.

@TeaKlaxon Can I also ask for a definition of trans please? I always thought it was a mental condition so if not, what then?

No, you don't know that girl. At least not in England.

Because in England she'd have had a massive wait to get into the Tavistock, which has been the only gender clinic for children (and they don't prescribe cross sex hormones for children).

"No one can 'register for puberty blockers'"

Gender GP (run by doctors banned in the UK) hand out puberty blockers to children with limited checks:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/16db5c54-36f3-11eb-861c-b713ee2a0069?shareToken=80bf081d77469f75cf0fe694fa2b4db6.

Is the only reason you'd be uncomfortable being gay because of homophobia? What if they just didn't want to be different to their friends?
People that worked at the Tavistock joked about there being no gay kids left due to transitioning. Doesn't this sort of thing tickle your conscience? That you might be wrong about kids being harmed?

In the western world, trans issues have taken over everything, and are appearing in every media source.
Almost every western government, many large companies, the whole pharmaceutical industry (big surprise there), celebrities and lots of useful idiots are championing transitioning.
Even Disney films now have trans characters that only show the sparkle and glitter side, I bet they don't show the characters crying due to pain and side effects of surgery any time soon though.

Why would a child think of the downsides when they can now wear the sparkly dress that they like?
Children do not think long-term.

I want kids not to have to wait years and years before getting the right help for gender dysphoria.

So what explains the fact that 4000% more girls now identify as trans than previously?

Why aren't a large number of women of all ages also seeking urgent treatment for gender dysphoria?

Are you saying that 'trans' means gender dysphoria?

So many questions, but a working definition of trans would be really helpful.

@roarfeckingroarr I searched their sites and all social media for words like "Stonewall" "Mermaids" "Diversity" "Gender" etc to see what came up and what their stance was educationally and politically. It's a small local independent - where their safeguarding is grounded in - child safety - increasingly rare nowadays. Honestly I thank my lucky stars every bloody day because my sweet DS is a very feminine and sensitive lad who is also on the spectrum.

I dread to think what would happen to him if he was at school in the city 20 miles away which is woke-central.

Have we seen any explanation about why the rates of referrals to gender clinics for boys and girls have completely inverted in the last 10 years?

Why did most referrals used to be boys and now most are girls.

Even Marci Bowers acknowledges that social contagion may play a part in the increased numbers of trans identifying teenagers.

How do we explain a detrans subreddit with 40k members?

If social contagion has nothing to do with the increased number of referrals then why are trans activists so resistant to research and data collection? You'd think they'd want all the data they could get but apparently research into trans issues is transphobic. Why is the only legitimate data the stuff paid for a published by people pushing gender ideology?

I'm just interested @TeaKlaxon in what other life long decisions you feel a child under 16 can make? In light of the heavy medical burden being a transsexual carries?

Are you aware that the only long-term studies into post op outcomes for transsexuals show an eventual rise in suicide ideation?

What the now adults who were treated as kids at the Tavistock say is that once they were put on puberty blockers it felt like they were put on the road to surgical transition from which they had no alternative. You are correct when you say they weren't given surgery as children, but the effects of the hormones were irreversible, and they were given no alternative to the road they had been put on as children. That is one of the reasons why the Tavistock was shut down.

I want kids not to have to wait years and years before getting the right help for gender dysphoria.

I thought you said being trans is not a mental illness, how are you classifying gender dysphoria?

I want kids not to have to wait years and years before getting the right help for gender dysphoria

Indeed. We all want this. But where is the opportunity for young children to explore and ascertain if they actually have dysphoria? Or whether they are simply exploring an identity? Or something else?

When any sort of future therapy other than cross sex hormones and surgery is considered ‘ conversion therapy’ and shot down by trans activists the ‘help, seems very limited.

Both of these points apply to medical care though.

Schools should be doing nothing without direction from qualified medical teams. Their remit is educating the child. They should not be involved in transitioning children unless it’s being directed by professionals who have the competence to support and direct these processes.

Teachers do not have any expertise for them to take this kind of action. It is not neutral. The action a school should take in these situations is limited to referral to external agencies who do have the relevant expertise and then working with families to support whatever course of action other professionals have recommended to them.

Transphobia exists in a much more widespread and viscous form

If you can't define 'trans' then how can you define transphobia?

Refusing to go along with someone else's beliefs or self image isn't transphobic.
Neither is not pretending someone is the opposite sex.

Where is all the violence against trans people in the uk? Attacks? Murders? Anything that isn't mis gendering or not immediate validation?
Is it women wanting penis free spaces?
Evidence of your claims?

Homophobia is rife. Men claiming to be lesbians is blatantly homophobic.

Imagine being 14 yo butch lesbian now. Told constantly if you have short hair or are not feminine enough, you must be a 'transboy'
Any support groups taken over by men claiming their penis is now a female sex organ.
They can't even say a lesbian is a same sex attracted female. Their sexual orientation that is supposed to be legally protected. Yet Stonewall and the rest of them now say a lesbian is same 'gender' attracted and includes heterosexual men.

*I want kids not to have to wait years and years before getting the right help for gender dysphoria.

So does Dr Cass.*

I want them to have to wait so as to make a fully informed decision.

What is the 'right help'?

Absolutely true

So either the parent who claimed that's what their child was given was lying. Or the Daily Mail was lying.

Or it might be how their child saw what they were given, a series of steps starting with "registration" and with blocking puberty as the child's new goal. Instead of reassurance.

I doubt that a school nurse would be referring anyone directly to GenderGp!

@TeaKlaxon you can register to be referred to a gender clinic to be put on puberty blockers.

How else do you think it happens?

Your thread title is misleading, the school didn't tell any children they were born in the wrong body. The school are respecting the child's wishes to be called a preferred name and pronouns. The parents are trying to force their own wishes and beliefs onto the school and the child. My oldest came out as trans when she was 14. I was lucky that she felt comfortable enough to tell me, and yes I would have been upset if she had told the school and not me, but I would have been happy that the school had put her wellbeing first instead of forcing her to be and act like someone she wasn't. My daughter was suicidal before coming out, as are a lot of children and adults who have gender identity disorder/gender dysphoria. Would parents not prefer their children to be who they are and not have to bottle it up and keep it secret, and to believe the only way out was suicide? I don't see the harm in schools allowing children to be called by the name and gender they identify with at that time? It doesn't necessarily mean they will transition fully, but if they did would it not be better for the children to know their parent loves them and supports them no matter what? The kids that ask school to keep it secret must feel like their parents wouldn't accept them as who they are, and that is dangerous

You have to be referred by a gp as a child. You cannot just register yourself as a child. And they don't just put you on blockers straight away. There is a lot of appointments, discussions, therapy, before that happens. Speaking from experience

Define trans.