That schools should not be telling children they are born in the wrong bodies?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11646881/I-asked-daughters-teachers-not-call-boy-reported-social-services.html?s=08

This is so alarming now - just how many children do we think are born in the wrong bodies?

Is this not now just science fiction?

YABU - Rainbows are magic

YANBU - It's brainwashing. No child is born in the wrong body and schools must be held to account.

this notion that any gay child looks at the experience of trans people and thinks 'you know what, that looks like an easier route for me' is for the birds.

What an odd way of framing it! Younger children don't get to look at "the experience of trans people" and older children may get to see a very distorted and romanticised view on the Internet.

"Gay" is still used as an insult among kids and it's not something most adults are willing to ascribe to a young child in school - for good reasons to do with sex. Trans, on the other hand, seems to be treated as if it is harmless in children and something to be encouraged with pronouns etc even though the medical consequences of a trans identity are frightening.

Some trans people just socially transition

So what's the difference between a man who wears feminine clothes and a man who wears feminine clothes but says he's a woman? None. There is no transition. They don't change from one thing into another.

While you're there can you explain what non binary is?
How exactly is sam smith not a man? Feelings? Sparkly jumpsuit? Coz he says so?

Being trans can, however, cause mental health issues and for some trans people

Or people with multiple co morbid mental health issues are being convinced it must be because they are 'trans' instead of getting the help to work through the trauma etc that led them to that conclusion.

if they take medication or have surgery

That's a big if given that the numbers of children taking puberty blockers is tiny, and the numbers having surgery in the UK is 0.

That's a big if given that the numbers of children taking puberty blockers is tiny, and the numbers having surgery in the UK is 0.

I know of a number of autistic girls who are having or have had mastectomies in their late teens.

Technically adults, brains not fully developed.

I think any child who is clued in enough to know that homophobia exists and is tough, is also clued in enough to know that transphobia exists in a much more widespread and viscous form.

So not children then.

Transphobia exists in a much more widespread and viscous form.

Please can you give some examples?

The process is massively relevant.

The article claims the child was given paperwork on'how to register' for puberty blockers.

But no one can 'register for puberty blockers'.

I still disagree but as you’re pushing the point I will point out that some of the providers of PSHE resources in schools like The Proud Trust, Stonewall and many others give teachers and children all sorts of materials that are factually incorrect and misrepresentative so who knows what this nurse was handing out to this child?

The point that you seem to be unwilling to acknowledge is that a school nurse explained puberty to an autistic child who was upset by it. Instead of behaving like a normal person and having a chat with him or his parents to allay his fears, she suggested that he could skip puberty by taking some drugs. These are the same drugs given to Alan Turing as punishment for being gay.

Please can you acknowledge that anyone who does this is in the wrong?

The pathway to this starts when they are children. They don't suddenly wake up at 18 and think - hey I'll have my healthy breasts removed.

One of the main reason is that it had unacceptable barriers to providing children with timely care, which is why those of us who support trans people's rights have been calling for a move away from the Tavistock monopoly for years.

I love how transphobes all seem to think supporters of trans people are big fans of the Tavistock, when we've been shouting about how shit it was for years.

Lots of people are very different from their 19 year old self though
And may live to.regret such a life altering decision made at 19.

It's generally not considered socially acceptable to declare that all gay people are mentally ill, for example. Or fetishists.

Of course its becoming more acceptable again thanks to the blurred lines between transphobes and homophobes, but still considerably worse for trans people.

We can't talk about detransitioners. They are not really trans, whatever that is.

Still no definition.

If you think a child is clued up enough to know about homophobia but not the much worse transphobia that exists, I suspect you were neither a gay nor a trans child.

Being trans isn't a mental illness

What is being trans, could you define it please?

This sort of thing was just one of the reasons why we removed our dc from school to home educate as the U.K. education system is verging on emotionally abusive in many areas

It's generally not considered socially acceptable to declare that all gay people are mentally ill, for example. Or fetishists.

Only no one has said that all trans people are mentally ill or fetishists.

Being trans isn't a mental illness but being trans can cause mental illness and we treat that mental illness with body altering drugs and surgery, seriously?

What is the difference between mental illness and mental health issues?

Sounds like we're playing semantics with the chicken and the egg.

I would like to know what a 'trans person' is though.

Me too. I know one teenager who went to the gender clinic a couple of months after thinking she might be trans and was prescribed cross sex hormones to start a month after her first appointment. Surgery was not long after although this was privately funded. She’d had major upheaval in her life a few months prior to her revelations.

I remember being a teenager and how you can be utterly convinced of something for a long time (even longer than the handful of months the above process took) and suddenly realise you don’t think that any more.

Oh so you want more kids sterilised quicker?

Jesus Christ on a bike.

For parents new to this, here's a clinical psychologist's account of how socially transitioning a child seriously screws up their mental health and long term wellbeing and sense of self. The first link is about primary children, the second is about teenagers. All parents should have a read of these:

healywww.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

www.transgendertrend.com/teenager-says-theyre-transgender/

Being gay or bi is a secual orientation.

Being trans is not.

You cannot compare sexual orientation with trans feelings. They are completely different.

Therefore you cannot use this argument.

I'm pushing the point because it proves the article can't be trusted.

No one can 'register for puberty blockers'.

No paperwork, from Stonewall, Mermaids or anyone else claims they can.

So either the parent who claimed that's what their child was given was lying. Or the Daily Mail was lying.

Unless and until you can acknowledge that incontrovertible fact, then there's no point in discussing an article that you are taking on trust but has at least one obvious falsehood (as many DM articles do).

There are literally people on here claiming trans people (without qualification) are mentally ill.

Prominent transphobes have made that claim in public.

It is just a lie to say otherwise.