That schools should not be telling children they are born in the wrong bodies?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11646881/I-asked-daughters-teachers-not-call-boy-reported-social-services.html?s=08

This is so alarming now - just how many children do we think are born in the wrong bodies?

Is this not now just science fiction?

YABU - Rainbows are magic

YANBU - It's brainwashing. No child is born in the wrong body and schools must be held to account.

Ok @TeaKlaxon you've declined to define 'Trans' , can you please define 'Trans Person' instead if that's easier?

What is a trans person?

When we are dealing with vulnerable children who may go on to make life changing and harmful decisions about their bodies it would be extremely useful to have clear definitions of terms.

The process is massively relevant.

The article claims the child was given paperwork on'how to register' for puberty blockers.

But no one can 'register for puberty blockers'.

So either the article is lying about what the parent said, or the parent was lying to the Daily Mail.

is it the schools role to force young people to come out to their parents - who may hold anti trans views, that could put their child at risk?

Interesting use of emotive language from Lemon and is exactly the type of attitude that undermines safeguarding.

Having open conversations in school about respecting difference is fine. Having appropriate risk assessments and action for children who might be at risk of abuse is essential.

Positive affirmations of an ideology, without understanding any of the reasons why a child is struggling, while encouraging them to keep secrets is not fine.

one person at CAHMS said there was some young people with autism who were also trans there is no reference to evidence showing any link, this is anecdotal.

1 person at camhs. 1 person. And yet the multiple medical professionals who were whistle blowers at the Tavistock, a facility specializing in trans children, said the opposite thing.

But should the school respect the young person's choice in this regard without contacting parents? That's the question. Should a child who is experiencing difficulties be allowed to socially transition and thus adopt a position that may be very difficult to retreat from?

You other point is incorrect. There is indeed evidence showing overlap between autism and transitioning. It's just referred to indirectly in the article.

The school shouldn't be telling them that, and going by this article it hasn't. That's lucky, eh?

Social contagion is well documented occurrence and nothing to do with being gay.

Like the new fads of kids claiming to have tourettes and multiple personalities and 'alters' because they've seen it on tiktok.

The constant stream of gender batshit from all angles is the problem.

You also keep avoiding the question what exactly is trans if it's not a mental health issues that requires drugs and surgery?

How can it be innate if it can only exist with drugs, surgery and constant external validation and affirmation?

How about if that gay child is uncomfortable with being gay?
Instead of being a gay boy, they can now be a straight girl.
All problems solved.

Except there is zero evidence that this is what's happening.

The numbers don't support it - given what we know about the adult trans population, it follows since all trans adults were once children that a similar proportion of children are trans. So why are we shocked that more of them are realising that at a time when there is much more visibility of trans issues?

The evidence doesn't support it - given that the only study claiming this phenomenon is absolute nonsense that relies entirely on parents self-reporting that their child's gender dysphoria came out of the blue (as if parents of queer kids haven't been unaware of their children's struggles for centuries).

So it's easy to define homosexuality because it's tangible, you are either same sex attracted or you are not.

Surely it's also easy to define what being trans is?

Especially given that laws are being written to give trans people additional rights over those who are not trans and given that being trans will lead some children to go on to harm their otherwise healthy bodies.

Men's. As usual.

Of course what's going on amongst young people at present is social contagion. This literally wasn't a thing previously, what else could it be?

And of course dysphoria is a mental illness, again what else could you call such extreme levels of mental distress about your own healthy functioning body?

And many transsexuals acknowledge this and clearly state that they know they are not the opposite sex and that they undertake risky and painful surgeries to attempt to alleviate this distress. (I dont necessarily agree with this as its imo no different from people who are distressed at not being amputees but there it is.)

TRAs and straight middle aged fetishists have created a whole new thing which is causing massive damage to women's rights, genuine transsexuals and putting children in danger.

But no one claims that being trans can only exist with drugs and surgery.

Some trans people just socially transition (and are often relentlessly attacked as 'not really trans' by transphobes as a result). Some trans people take hormones but don't have surgery.

Being trans isn't a mental illness. Being trans can, however, cause mental health issues and for some trans people - not all - the appropriate way to treat those issues is hormones or surgery.

The idea of children thinking their problems in life will be less if they are transgender than if they are gay is nonsense.

There's little evidence about it because people like you like to call everyone a transphobe if they question anything.
How come the trans studies that are self-selecting (such as the suicide ones) seem to be OK to prove something about trans people but not if they suggest something you don't agree with?

Still no definition of Trans or trans person?

What percentage of children do you think are prescribed them and just how easy do you think it is for them to access them?

It just got harder in England and Wales, thanks to Dr Cass. Some children were being prescribed who shouldn't have been. Maybe some are not who should be, but no-one knows because we can't tell who benefits from them and who doesn't.

How many children do you think should be harmed before we decide to not do the things that lead to that harm and that don't lead to an observable benefit? Social transition in secret is one of those things.

The numbers don't support it - given what we know about the adult trans population, it follows since all trans adults were once children that a similar proportion of children are trans. So why are we shocked that more of them are realising that at a time when there is much more visibility of trans issues

So why are the majority of over 25y tend folk male? Where are all the middle age women suddenly coming out knowing g they'd always been men all along
Seems odd considering the majority of 'trans' teens are female? Who incidentally are the group most vulnerable to social contagion and peer pressure.

The evidence doesn't support it - given that the only study claiming this phenomenon is absolute nonsense that relies entirely on parents self-reporting that their child's gender dysphoria came out of the blue (as if parents of queer kids haven't been unaware of their children's struggles for centuries)

Why do so many of these girls have no issue being a girl until 13/14?

Not nonsense at all. Children choosing or being coerced into identifying as trans because of fear about homophobia was well covered in reports by Tavistock professionals.

Even the guardian reported it when Dr David Bell went public about his concerns.

Also, people who.identify as Gay or straight as a young teen are allowed to change their minds of they want
People who.identify as trans as a young teen and take medication or have surgery ,even if they do change their minds their bodies might have been changed forever. .

Why?
Do you think children realise all the implications of transitioning or just see the pretty flags and affirmation?

Do you think that gay boy that now is a straight girl realises that he'll never orgasm if he starts puberty blockers too early?
Or that there's a good chance of lifelong health issues if he takes hormones or surgically transitions?
Or that there's a good chance he will have problems with relationships as many people won't date trans people, however much they say they will in public?

Of course, he doesn't but the downsides are kept hidden because only transphobes talk about what goes wrong.
Everyone on the so-called right side of history cheerleads them all the way to the operating room.

Self-selection in itself isn't fatal to research. Though it is a limitation.

Self-selection after recruitment through various forums etc that exist specifically for parents who are sceptical or hostile to the idea of their child being trans is fatal to research.

Also, asking parents whether a child's gender dysphoria was sudden rather than trans people themselves is fatal to research. Lots and lots of parents of queer people had no idea their child was queer until they were told. That's not proof that their child was not really queer and it was all down to social contagion.

So yeah, that study is nonsense.

Then why are they closing the Tavistock?

But it was already exceptionally hard and exceptionally rare for children to get puberty blockers before the Cass review.

There is not a single person who genuinely believes that homophobia is worse than transphobia in 2022 UK.

Both exist. Both are bad. But outcomes for trans people, and attitudes towards trans people, are massively worse than for gay people. No one genuinely thinks that's not the case.