Dogs capable of sending us to hospital/the morgue need to be banned

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Yet another serious dog attack.

uknip.co.uk/Breaking/News/breaking/woman-rushed-to-hospital-after-attack-by-dog-in-the-street/?fbclid=IwAR3bVa7T5KdsbfMlHZqg8CjSCFIkSVJtGYjB8iAZJ5_2C2Rv4tomNMO1ask

YANBU - ban these dogs (bully breeds, huskies, Dobermans etc)
YABU - aw, poor pibbles, must have been provoked

Yes I thought that and as I say, I’m not a dog person. Frustrates me that I’m seen as ‘awkward’ and the only way to remove the dog was distraction with toys (my husband tried moving him when he mouthed our son and the dog immediately then started mouthing my husband, so you feel like you don’t have any control to make yourself safe). Infuriating. Particularly as my SIL just puts down to normal puppy behaviour.

Most dogs are capable of this though and I’m pretty sure most dog bites are from Labradors in the UK so…

Ban them from now? Or go into people’s homes and execute their beloved pets?

Seriously, things are so much more nuanced than banning breeds, insisting on licences etc etc

Northern Ireland has dog licences

Northern Ireland has the 3rd highest dog attack rate in uk 2021

We shouldn't be thinking along the lines of how we'll trained / how good a recall / how good an owner.

We need to be thinking along thd line of WHAT IF.

if your dog gets a baby's head in its jaws can it do damage? Can you get it off? Let's face it even if you are in the same room if a strong dog attacks many wouldn't be able to do much about it.

If the answer is no then it is not the dog for you
Same assessment for anyone you leave responsible for it

Plenty of things are “acknowledged in law” but that doesn’t mean they are factual.

If you look at dog breed bite statistics, you’ll see that all breeds are capable of causing harm through a bite.

You will also see that larger, more muscular dogs are more likely to cause serious harm with a bite.

This makes them attractive to owners who want a dog as a status symbol, akin to carrying a weapon.

If we ban the breed, they will just breed inventive crosses or move onto the next large, muscular dog.

It all comes down to training. I own a border collie and actually, they have a really strong prey drive, so I could totally train mine to chase people down and bite them if I wanted. But border collies aren’t attractive to those who want to weaponise their pets, because they don’t look intimidating or hold the same fear as bully breeds do.

@Scottishskifun It's poor ownership which is the issue

Look at this list, it is dominated by bulldog breeds:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

Only if you’re proposing the same for men seeing as they present a far bigger risk.

Well I've got a soppy and very well trained Rottweiler. So no I don't agree with you.

Even funnier my outbuildings were broken into last week and he slept through it

Cows kill people, should we ban them? On your logic we should. Pigs are capable of killing people, are we banning those too?

But it's still an incredibly low number compared to the amount of these breeds in the uk

Wow, since last May there have been 6 fatalities, 5 of them caused by American XL Bullies.

Ban all animals!! Kill them all like we did with the bears and wolves in this country. The world must always revolve around humans and if other animals can’t understand that, get rid of them.

Joking of course!

YANBU to not like or be worried about dogs and/or the capacity of their owners. YABU to want to ban them or mandate training - it’s been tried and it doesn’t work. Anyone who is training a dog to be aggressive or even not training a dog at all is not going to respond to legal requirements and prisons are bad enough without trying to suggest such people should be put in them.

I wish people who want to have kids could be licensed or mandated to undergo training due to the significant negative effect them fucking this up has on society. I don’t start seventeen threads per day on the topic because there’s no way of actually enforcing any of that.

Don't see anyone walking their cows and pigs at the local park.
Only on private land.

Good point though maybe keeping your dogs on private land would be a good option if you need a dog.

Same as the average for cows then, 5ish a year, although it went up last year to 11. Cows are getting out of control.

(Also if we’re banning sentient beings on the basis that they kill people then you’d have to start with men, who are responsible for far more bloodshed than dogs. I can’t see many MNetters being up for that.)

Yep, they’re far more dangerous than dogs, should know a lot better too.

I would like to ban spiders (scary) and cats (one of mine brought in a live mouse last night and the rescue mission was basically Die Hard). Oh, and wasps.

Any dog can bite in the right circumstances, but I fancy my chances against a Maltese shitzu or a cockapoo rather more than I do an American pit bull.

And this is the argument repeatedly on these threads.

Makes zero sense.

If these owners brandish said dogs as a form of weapon as is too often the case, ridiculous status symbol and are therefore irresponsible in their ownership, the dog is logically placed in the same category of risk and harm as banned items such as guns and knives.
They need banning for the same obvious reason-risk to human life. I cannot believe this debate still rumbles on, when will we reach a stage when people see sense?

'Northern Ireland has dog licences
Northern Ireland has the 3rd highest dog attack rate in uk 2021'

yup! No-one checks the licence - in 30 odd years of dog ownership no-one has ever checked our dog/s had a licence - and people who are poor owners, either raising their dogs badly through neglect or making them aggro on purpose aren't the people spending money on dog licences.

Considering the amount of dogs now in UK - 13 million ish - the risk of being killed by one is incredibly low.

Yes, agree with this. Hundreds of times over.
And drunk drivers.
Banning dogs by breed doesn't work, banning the shits that train them to attack or don't train them at all is what is needed.

🤣🤣 Yep just kill anything which may, or probably won't, attack and kill us. Like many others posters, I vote men are put at the top of the list.