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Furries in IKEA

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user19888891 · 16/01/2023 07:17

www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-ikea-shoppers-confused-after-25983306?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Am I the only one who thinks this isn’t appropriate? Surely it’s no more appropriate to be naked in public than to walk around dresses up for a sex game? Do IKEA have a responsibility to safeguard their young guests?

I was particularly taken aback by this paragraph ;
‘Although many think it is a sexual fetish more often than not dressing up like animals is a fun escape for a community of people who enjoy expressing themselves in this way.’
is this true? I’ve never heard of this being done in a non sexual manner

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ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 14:19

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:18

I don’t think there’s anything especially modern or “queer” about BDSM.

Back in the 18th century the English were famed around Europe for their liking of it.

Again, stop conflating BDSM with non-consensual paraphilias.

BordoisAgain · 16/01/2023 14:19

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 14:12

Sneering at women for 'fear'.

I'm quite struck by the difference between folx needing safe spaces and protection from words and ideas that are literal violence, and the sneering at women who wish to enforce sexual boundaries

A group of women wanting to watch a private showing of a film is compared to genocide and must be stopped, but adult men parading their fetishes in public is A-OK.

DesertIslandCondiment · 16/01/2023 14:19

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:14

Two people on the video clearly thought it was appropriate to do just that.

And they’re more than entitled to do that.

This is the issue with these posts on the most part, getting caught up over people doing something they’re entitled to do but you don’t like it is a pointless exercise.

If it bothers you that much campaign to bring in laws to crack down on what people think and wear.

Did they think it was appropriate though? Or did they were just think it would be inappropriate and hilarious to walk around Ikea and make people look at them, including children.

Most adults would know they were gimp masks and would feel uncomfortable in front of their children. I know the children wouldn't know they were gimp masks but they aren't cute masks.

If you like wearing gimp masks can you not just play at home?

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:20

sillybillyboo1 · 16/01/2023 14:19

Aha. Here we have it. Vicims don't exist - in the paraphia there are no victims -it is my civil liberty!

You are a parody at this point.

who has said victims don’t exist

people in IKEA while men in dog masks walk around however are not victims of a doggy related crime.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 14:21

If you like wearing gimp masks can you not just play at home?

Yes, this would remove the thing that makes the act exciting, though. Because these are men getting off on the fact that they are transgressing boundaries, shocking and confusing people.

Kucinghitam · 16/01/2023 14:21

Educational take-home message for MNers: If you object to non-consenting victims being used for sexual thrills, you're not only a pearl-clutching hysterical prude, but have morals stuck in past centuries. This is because modern progressive morality prioritises access to sexual thrills (for actual proper people) and redefines the non-consenting public (keep up, remembering that the non-consent is the thrill) as not being victims.

You don't want to be a pearl-clutching hysterical prude, do you? It's really great to be a modern progressive with a moral compass that doesn't care about non-consent in sexual thrills.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:22

Anyone with an ounce of decency and half a brain knows that dog gimp masks and fake breasts with erect nipples in public are not decent and not appropriate. It’s got piss all to do with the 1950s, being boring etc etc and everything to do with the fact that yet again, men are trying to force their fetishes onto other people and blur boundaries, particularly when it comes to protecting women and children. Not advocating for basic morality and for the safeguarding of children doesn’t mean we think you’re trying to be ‘cool’, it means we think you’re part of the problem. In the words of my dead Nan ‘You’re thick as mince hen’.

anomaly23 · 16/01/2023 14:22

I was surprised they were in jeans. You see all kinds of shit In Edinburgh

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:23

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 14:19

Again, stop conflating BDSM with non-consensual paraphilias.

The consent point has been dealt with quite effectively. You’ve produced no counter argument of substance.

I notice you didn’t answer my question earlier about how gaining such consent would work in practice.

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:23

DesertIslandCondiment · 16/01/2023 14:19

Did they think it was appropriate though? Or did they were just think it would be inappropriate and hilarious to walk around Ikea and make people look at them, including children.

Most adults would know they were gimp masks and would feel uncomfortable in front of their children. I know the children wouldn't know they were gimp masks but they aren't cute masks.

If you like wearing gimp masks can you not just play at home?

From clicking on a few of the links posted in this chain, the dog people like actually acting like a dog, which includes going outside on walks, so I assume the trip to IKEA was part of that.

So tbh them being out in public doesn’t 100% mean they’re after people looking uncomfortable, they might actually get off on people laughing at them over being awkward around them for example.

Id assume most who enjoy a gimp mask do stay at home, doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be able to wear one to the shop if I ran out of butter.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 14:23

Fetish gear in public is not cool.

Non consensual sexual activity is not okay.

If your sexual arousal depends on the non-consensual participation of others, seek help.

Sandra1984 · 16/01/2023 14:24

@HRTQueen Why would someone returning from a dressing up party be on a lead in IKEA?

Because it’s a fun thing when you’re young, silly and want to impress your friends on Instagram. Ive done worse than that when I was young. Good thing there was no Instagram at the time and it was never documented.

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:24

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 14:23

Fetish gear in public is not cool.

Non consensual sexual activity is not okay.

If your sexual arousal depends on the non-consensual participation of others, seek help.

Boring.

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:24

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:22

Anyone with an ounce of decency and half a brain knows that dog gimp masks and fake breasts with erect nipples in public are not decent and not appropriate. It’s got piss all to do with the 1950s, being boring etc etc and everything to do with the fact that yet again, men are trying to force their fetishes onto other people and blur boundaries, particularly when it comes to protecting women and children. Not advocating for basic morality and for the safeguarding of children doesn’t mean we think you’re trying to be ‘cool’, it means we think you’re part of the problem. In the words of my dead Nan ‘You’re thick as mince hen’.

Not sure the views of your decreased Nan helps your ‘not stuck in the 50’s’ point

GreenManalishi · 16/01/2023 14:24

@Kucinghitam good work, keep it up

So, how does all of this sort itself out in real life. How do we stop people getting around wearing items of clothing in public places that make them feel sexual pleasure?

Maybe, a nice uniform for everyone, and patrols on the street yoinking people who haven't..... oh hang on...

Back to the original question, how do IKEA ensure the morality of their young guests is kept intact during the visit? They can't, because humans/public places.

sillybillyboo1 · 16/01/2023 14:26

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:24

Boring.

Please seek help.

DesertIslandCondiment · 16/01/2023 14:26

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lifeturnsonadime · 16/01/2023 14:26

which includes going outside on walks, so I assume the trip to IKEA was part of that.

Ikea policy on dogs

www.ikea.com/es/en/customer-service/hej-pets-pub81df9990

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:26

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 14:21

If you like wearing gimp masks can you not just play at home?

Yes, this would remove the thing that makes the act exciting, though. Because these are men getting off on the fact that they are transgressing boundaries, shocking and confusing people.

They could also be getting off on people laughing at them

They could be getting off at other men looking at them

They could be getting off on the overly bright lights in IKEA

They could even not be getting off at all

I personally agree that there is most likely some form of sexual element for the dog people here, but no one knows for sure.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:27

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nilsmousehammer · 16/01/2023 14:27

The line is do not involve non consenting others in your sexual experience. Any reputable BDSM club takes that extremely seriously and their members care about other people and consent.

Those busy blurring lines want them blurred because involving non consenting others is an active part of the thrill. This is the case in many paraphilias.

Most of those paraphilias are not equal opportunity in who provides the thrill: the non consenting being involved - who at this point are being used and exploited, and have become victims of someone else's choices and behaviours - are in massive majority women and children.

The 'aww they're just having fun' (and naice people don't have boundaries) thing is all very well, but in the case of all the paraphilias, you are enabling those who are intentionally setting out to use other people as props in their sex experiences in order to be able to congratulate yourself for being all progressive and kind and broad minded in case some just happen to be doing it innocently.

Hint: abusers don't come with a t shirt announcing 'I'm not a nice person'. And many abusers are fantastic at wide eyed innocence and 'I'm just...' excuses. It's all a part and parcel of it.

There are boundaries on freedoms for all because some will use freedoms to exploit and abuse others. And costumes that are an active part of the fetish scene? Yes. These should be restricted, because other people have a right not to be made use of as a walking sex aid.

Do call me any names you feel like calling me for having boundaries, I'm not bothered. I'm not enabling this kind of behaviour and treatment of others, it's not ok, it's not consenting, it's not 'kind'. And providing non reciprocal 'kindness' in situations like this doesn't make you a better person, it makes you a gullible twit.

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:27

lifeturnsonadime · 16/01/2023 14:26

which includes going outside on walks, so I assume the trip to IKEA was part of that.

Ikea policy on dogs

www.ikea.com/es/en/customer-service/hej-pets-pub81df9990

So they’re following the rules

“Each family unit may be accompanied by a maximum of two pets when visiting IKEA.”

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 14:28

It's also not worth spending time on those who are attempting to minimise, deflect, demean or insult anyone raising red flags of people wearing fetish gear in public.

It's best to just note what they're doing, and remember the pattern so you recognise it next time. There are lots of people who are invested in keeping women worried about naming these issues, calling them out and speaking against them.

If you are concerned that your child has ever been exposed to anything inappropriate that's been raised on this post, call NSPCC.

So long as you don't get hold of the bloke whose fetish is 'wanking at work in a rubber suit', you'll be able to access appropriate information and support there.

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-nspcc-admits-employees-rubber-clad-smut-serious-incident-after-barristers

lifeturnsonadime · 16/01/2023 14:28

lifeturnsonadime · 16/01/2023 14:26

which includes going outside on walks, so I assume the trip to IKEA was part of that.

Ikea policy on dogs

www.ikea.com/es/en/customer-service/hej-pets-pub81df9990

Sorry I linked the wrong one.

This is the UK policy

Are dogs allowed in IKEA stores?
Registered service dogs, such as guide dogs and hearing assistance dogs, are always welcome!

We ask you to leave your furry friends at home, as we are unable to allow them into the store. Unless, of course, they are registered service dogs, such as guide dogs and hearing assistance dogs, or registered emotional support dogs, who are all always welcome!

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:29

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 14:28

It's also not worth spending time on those who are attempting to minimise, deflect, demean or insult anyone raising red flags of people wearing fetish gear in public.

It's best to just note what they're doing, and remember the pattern so you recognise it next time. There are lots of people who are invested in keeping women worried about naming these issues, calling them out and speaking against them.

If you are concerned that your child has ever been exposed to anything inappropriate that's been raised on this post, call NSPCC.

So long as you don't get hold of the bloke whose fetish is 'wanking at work in a rubber suit', you'll be able to access appropriate information and support there.

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-nspcc-admits-employees-rubber-clad-smut-serious-incident-after-barristers

I’d love to hear the reaction to ‘hi NSPCC, my child saw a man dressed as a fully clothed dog in IKEA yesterday, please advise’

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