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Furries in IKEA

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user19888891 · 16/01/2023 07:17

www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-ikea-shoppers-confused-after-25983306?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Am I the only one who thinks this isn’t appropriate? Surely it’s no more appropriate to be naked in public than to walk around dresses up for a sex game? Do IKEA have a responsibility to safeguard their young guests?

I was particularly taken aback by this paragraph ;
‘Although many think it is a sexual fetish more often than not dressing up like animals is a fun escape for a community of people who enjoy expressing themselves in this way.’
is this true? I’ve never heard of this being done in a non sexual manner

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Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:29

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They’re trying to be fun. They thought MDMA and two people being able to fit inside a dog outfit was ‘hilarious’. Don’t give them the attention they crave. Their mum will be calling them down from the box room for dinner in a minute.

sillybillyboo1 · 16/01/2023 14:31

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:29

They’re trying to be fun. They thought MDMA and two people being able to fit inside a dog outfit was ‘hilarious’. Don’t give them the attention they crave. Their mum will be calling them down from the box room for dinner in a minute.

Brilliant 😂

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 16/01/2023 14:33

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:29

They’re trying to be fun. They thought MDMA and two people being able to fit inside a dog outfit was ‘hilarious’. Don’t give them the attention they crave. Their mum will be calling them down from the box room for dinner in a minute.

Anyone else getting shades of Horace Derwent and Roger? 🙀

HRTQueen · 16/01/2023 14:33

Sandra1984 · 16/01/2023 14:24

@HRTQueen Why would someone returning from a dressing up party be on a lead in IKEA?

Because it’s a fun thing when you’re young, silly and want to impress your friends on Instagram. Ive done worse than that when I was young. Good thing there was no Instagram at the time and it was never documented.

so you paraded around in public knowing that families would be around while wearing fetish gear, acting out a dominance game to get your sexual kicks

ok

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:34

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:27

So they’re following the rules

“Each family unit may be accompanied by a maximum of two pets when visiting IKEA.”

Lol

LonginesPrime · 16/01/2023 14:35

How do you make it through the day with this level of fear in your life?

There's normal life and there's weird situations that feel dodgy and unsettling. If I feel like I'm going to get dragged into drama, I leave that situation.

I don't know why someone would wear a dog mask in public outside of the fetish thing or criminal activity, so given that it's odd behaviour that doesn't appear to have an innocent/rational explanation, I would think it suspicious and would be leaving pronto. That's how I make it through the day.

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:36

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:29

They’re trying to be fun. They thought MDMA and two people being able to fit inside a dog outfit was ‘hilarious’. Don’t give them the attention they crave. Their mum will be calling them down from the box room for dinner in a minute.

Have you ever taken MDMA ;) ?

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:37

No hen, and neither have you. Now hurry
up and get downstairs, your meatpaste sandwiches will be getting curly.

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:39

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:37

No hen, and neither have you. Now hurry
up and get downstairs, your meatpaste sandwiches will be getting curly.

Meatpaste sandwiches?

And you claim you’re not stuck in the 50’s!

DesertIslandCondiment · 16/01/2023 14:39

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:36

Have you ever taken MDMA ;) ?

Aw, my post got taken down.

I haven't taken MDMA before.

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:40

Interesting to see the word “kink” crop up
here. Can’t say I’ve heard it used much at all in the past 25 years. It is reminiscent of 50s morality and the equating of anything other than vanilla sex as some sort of mental illness. Thankfully most have moved on.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:40

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:39

Meatpaste sandwiches?

And you claim you’re not stuck in the 50’s!

Did you want something? You’re as attention seeking as those dog people in ikea.

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:42

DesertIslandCondiment · 16/01/2023 14:39

Aw, my post got taken down.

I haven't taken MDMA before.

It’s great.

ancientgran · 16/01/2023 14:46

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:39

You mean, would someone wearing for example tight jeans be involving an onlooker in non-consensual sexual activity? It depends on their intent. The specific trousers/clothing aren't the issue, the intent and the response/activity are the issue.

Just as with a flasher, the macintosh used isn't the issue, but the desire to shock/confuse/upset/anger/garner a response from the onlooker.

So if they are doing it for a dare it's OK but if they get a kick out of it then it isn't. How do we judge that?

sillybillyboo1 · 16/01/2023 14:48

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 16/01/2023 14:40

Did you want something? You’re as attention seeking as those dog people in ikea.

Wouldnt be surprised if its the same guy to be honest.

sillybillyboo1 · 16/01/2023 14:49

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:42

It’s great.

I think it may have affected your brain long term.

nilsmousehammer · 16/01/2023 14:50

ancientgran · 16/01/2023 14:46

So if they are doing it for a dare it's OK but if they get a kick out of it then it isn't. How do we judge that?

You can't. Any more than you can differentiate between a sincere nudist and someone streaking to cause shock and alarm, or a male in a female space in a sincere belief of a gender identity and a male with intent to cause shock and alarm to the females in that space.

Hence the need for blunt instrument gatekeeping.

sillybillyboo1 · 16/01/2023 14:54

If it becomes a regular thing in the end the consumers and companies will be a powerful force. For Ikea at least. Lets just hope its a one off freak incident.

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:54

nilsmousehammer · 16/01/2023 14:50

You can't. Any more than you can differentiate between a sincere nudist and someone streaking to cause shock and alarm, or a male in a female space in a sincere belief of a gender identity and a male with intent to cause shock and alarm to the females in that space.

Hence the need for blunt instrument gatekeeping.

But where would the line be drawn

People post on here saying this is a slippery slope allowing these outfits, but the reverse is also the same. It’s a slipper slope to start legislating what people think and wear when it’s not objectively indecent.

Some clowns get off on being a clown in public, but most would still take their kids up to have a picture and a balloon animal made for them. Most don’t, so where would the line be drawn.

Some people get a kick out of getting any form of attention, so wear revealing outfits (both men and women) should they be arrested under these new laws?

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:57

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:40

Interesting to see the word “kink” crop up
here. Can’t say I’ve heard it used much at all in the past 25 years. It is reminiscent of 50s morality and the equating of anything other than vanilla sex as some sort of mental illness. Thankfully most have moved on.

Quite, posters object to the stuck in the 1950’s comments but do nothing but confirm that view every time they post.

Although this is just one in a long list of things MNers think is a kink, last year there was an anal thread that got very heated. And anal is pretty ‘normal’ for many, especially younger people.

Justasec321 · 16/01/2023 14:57

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 14:40

Interesting to see the word “kink” crop up
here. Can’t say I’ve heard it used much at all in the past 25 years. It is reminiscent of 50s morality and the equating of anything other than vanilla sex as some sort of mental illness. Thankfully most have moved on.

You seem pretty focused on the 50s?

GreenManalishi · 16/01/2023 14:58

@nilsmousehammer blunt instrument gatekeeping?

What does that look like in real life to you?

sillybillyboo1 · 16/01/2023 15:00

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:57

Quite, posters object to the stuck in the 1950’s comments but do nothing but confirm that view every time they post.

Although this is just one in a long list of things MNers think is a kink, last year there was an anal thread that got very heated. And anal is pretty ‘normal’ for many, especially younger people.

It would if you're drenched in human trafficking hub.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 16/01/2023 15:00

Wow, a lot of patronising posts today!

If that's the theme of the day, I can patronize right back. I joined MN when I was 21, after getting bored of sites aimed at my own age group, because I didn't like being in the same sites as young teens any more. I know all about this stuff, because I was helpfully educated on it all by older male members back in the day. Yes, since you ask, it does creep me out now that there were so many men online (in their 30s and 40s!) who were urging teenage me and my friends to explore whether our real life sexual explorations should include fetishes. But when you're 15 - 18, you don't easily realise how boring teenage conversation is to healthy adults in their 30s and 40s. I only started to reassess how genuinely fascinating any of us could have been to such older men when I outgrew the sites myself. In the years since, I've thought about the topics the then adults had been most active on. They were not performing a necessary public service when they wrote their 2000-word OPs on particular niche sexual interests. None of us needed to be educated on it.

But educated we were. I've had a look at the video. It is fetishwear, bought from specialist suppliers (perhaps etsy, perhaps a larger store), marketed as fetishwear.

Ikea on a Sunday is a cross-generational social environment. If you go there in your fetish gear, that is because the behaviour of someone in your group has escalated to the point that dressing up in private is no longer exciting. I say someone, because the reality is it may only be one of the three who wants to do this.

Moreover, going outside per se isn't enough either. This isn't the garden that they're in. Nor is it a specialist club environment amongst like-minded people. That's not exciting enough.

Someone there needs them to go out where other people, who are not in the scene, including children, will see the group. "Educating children" may even have been one of the justifications, by the way.

This is a moral line being crossed. I do not care if the audience (including children) present had no idea what was going on. Are we to wait until the quest for excitement progresses to the next stage after this one? That would be the stage where they make it clear to at least some of the people present that this is a sexual fetish.

It's a line: you do not wear fetish gear to places where children will see it. No, not even if you are sure none of them will realise. You know what it is and you shouldn't want to wear it around kids, because you shouldn't want to engage in sexual behaviour around children. The presence of children should be a turn-off.

If the presence of children is something you want when you are engaged in sexual behaviour, that is abhorrent.

When we see people in fetishwear in public, we should be aware that it is probably the precursor to sexual activity later in the day, and that the group are making memories for later masturbation. They are going to be thinking about an experience that included being being seen by children. It's not healthy to build associations between your orgasm and the presence of children, ever.

Just Say No to people in fetishwear in public.

ancientgran · 16/01/2023 15:01

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 14:54

But where would the line be drawn

People post on here saying this is a slippery slope allowing these outfits, but the reverse is also the same. It’s a slipper slope to start legislating what people think and wear when it’s not objectively indecent.

Some clowns get off on being a clown in public, but most would still take their kids up to have a picture and a balloon animal made for them. Most don’t, so where would the line be drawn.

Some people get a kick out of getting any form of attention, so wear revealing outfits (both men and women) should they be arrested under these new laws?

The clowns is an interesting one, there are people who are terrified of clowns and my GS is one of them. Seeing a clown would be far more distressing to him that a man in a dog mask so should we ban clown outfits? If my GS was making the laws we definitely would.

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