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To ask how much disposable income you need for a reasonably good lifestyle?

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surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 16:47

Apart from the essentials such as mortgage, council task, food, petrol etc, how much money do you have for 'fun' each year? I mean things like holidays, day trips, eating out, takeaways, theatre, cinema, kids' parties, and basically anything non-essential? Looking at my budget spreadsheet but have no idea what a realistic amount is. (I've counted all bills, gym and Netflix as essentials btw!). Thanks!

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Blossomtoes · 15/01/2023 18:39

surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 18:36

5k plus needed for a weeks holiday abroad in school holidays I’d say.

I had no idea this is what family holidays abroad cost until this thread 😳

They don’t have to. Holidays exist at a variety of price points. If that was the average cost very few people would take their kids abroad, it’s completely unaffordable for most people.

Greyhave · 15/01/2023 18:41

If you have a reasonably sized mortgage 120k is enough to not have to think too much about how much you spend on going out for meals, cinema etc but nowhere near enough for private school fees or expensive family holidays.

surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 18:42

Assuming that you are genuine

Yes - I know a few posters are convinced I'm a journalist, but I'm a long time mumsnet user and have posted numerous times over the years about teaching as I'm sure people can see as I haven't name-changed for this.

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BabyFour2023 · 15/01/2023 18:42

surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 17:13

Surely you know how much you are likely to spend on holidays and enjoying yourselves

No actually. I've never spent more than a few hundred quid on holidays before. I've never been on a 'family holiday' abroad. That's what I'm asking. How much do middle class professionals spend on enjoyment?

Ok, I’ll give you an example based on this year for us:
We have 4 holidays abroad booked this year which totals £23,000. We’re a family of 5 and are due baby number 4 in the summer. We also have a few cheap UK caravan breaks planned which probably totals around £500 each.
We tend to have 1 takeaway a week and eat out once a week, probably £200 total.
days out/weekend fun - probably spend around £400 a month.
Our mortgage, including an overpayment, is 10% of our net monthly income.

Im not saying this is normal, high or low. Just giving you an idea of what others spend, which is what you asked for, before anyone comments.

Blossomtoes · 15/01/2023 18:42

This is a sample of what’s available for a week in July for two adults and two kids. Even the 5* is less than £3k.

www.jet2holidays.com/search/results?airport=99&date=17-07-2023&duration=7&occupancy=r2c3_5&destination=26&sortorder=5&page=1

nc8975 · 15/01/2023 18:43

Just looked at my spreadsheet and we put about £1700 a month aside for "fun money" that includes holidays, Christmas, birthdays, and day outs etc. A lot more than we used to have, but less than I know I could spend lol. We also put all our bonus money into the "fun pots" which aren't included here so we do spend more than that.

Againstmachine · 15/01/2023 18:44

I hate threads like this, because it's unneeded and a bit gloating.

2 people who have your wage should be intelligent enough to sit down and write the outgoings/incomings. With a spreadsheet or a calculator and back statements, everyone is different so will have different outgoings so this is personal to you.

If you can't do that I despair of the people who are paying you these wages.

JessicaBrassica · 15/01/2023 18:46

Middle class professionals here. Your annual nursery bill is almost our entire income.

We camp in the summer, work at a festival, youth hostel for a long weekend. Kids do scouts and cadets. We have friends over for supper or go to theirs, spend weekends with friends and go hiking, we canoe, cycle, visit museums...

I'd say we had a fab and varied lifestyle. Most of it is free.

CandleCandleCandle · 15/01/2023 18:47

Would the school fees be less than what you are spending on nursery fees at the moment?

surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 18:47

If you teach in private schools you may get a large discount on fees

Yeh, 50%, which I think is decent. I love a bargain. But obviously not free, like the state option!

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VladmirsPoutine · 15/01/2023 18:49

This thread is quite bizarre. Say you want to go to Malta in April and stay in an apartment-let, then surely you'd google that and see if its affordable?
My sister thinks nothing of buying a designer handbag a month in the region of £1-2k which I definitely couldn't do but spend about £400 on skincare and hair. I'm happy to have a weekend break in Copenhagen but my friend's last trip to Jamaica cost a lot more than my weekend trip. If you have no idea then your best bet is to over pay your mortgage Confused

surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 18:49

Would the school fees be less than what you are spending on nursery fees at the moment?

Yes, hugely less (we worked out it would only be an extra £8k a year more than state wraparound care for 2 kids in total during the primary school years) but that doesn't really mean anything as we ca barely afford nursery as it is... we have no money left each month at the mo. I can't wait for the eldest to leave! I was paying more for childcare per day last year than I earned per day for working!

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CandleCandleCandle · 15/01/2023 18:51

What are all your monthly outgoings (minus the nursery fees) and what is your total monthly income?

surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 18:52

*I hate threads like this, because it's unneeded and a bit gloating.

2 people who have your wage should be intelligent enough to sit down and write the outgoings/incomings. With a spreadsheet or a calculator and back statements, everyone is different so will have different outgoings so this is personal to you.*

Yes. We've done that and have a great spreadsheet. But we just don't know how much to allocate of our leftovers for 'fun' so I wondered what others spend. Sorry if you think I'm gloating.

If you can't do that I despair of the people who are paying you these wages

They seem pretty happy to be honest, but thanks.

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Dreamsoffreedomjoyandpeace · 15/01/2023 18:52

Firstly, 🙄.

Secondly, over the next four weeks or whenever you get your extra money, live the life you want to live. Keep a record of the money you’ve spent. If you’re satisfied you’ve had as much fun as other middle class professionals then that’s how much money you need. If you feel you’ve only had as much fun as a working class thicko, increase the amount.

Then work out how often you want to go on holiday and where and work out how much that costs per month.

cestlavielife · 15/01/2023 18:52

It doesnt matter what others spend
What do you want todo or fun?
Do not just follow the crowd
Do you want a 10k skiing holiday?
Is abroad a 3k 5 k or 10 k week?
Cot up a werk in a gite in france with a hire car vs a week at the four seasons in cyprus
Read the sunday times holiday supplement to see what "others" do?
What car do you want? Mercedes or range rover or nissan?
Eating out is it prezzo or four star michelin?
Do you buy clothes at h&m or reiss ?

surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 18:53

Just looked at my spreadsheet and we put about £1700 a month aside for "fun money" that includes holidays, Christmas, birthdays, and day outs etc. A lot more than we used to have, but less than I know I could spend lol. We also put all our bonus money into the "fun pots" which aren't included here so we do spend more than that.

That's really helpful, thanks.

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surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 18:57

It doesnt matter what others spend
What do you want todo or fun?
Do not just follow the crowd
Do you want a 10k skiing holiday?
Is abroad a 3k 5 k or 10 k week?
Cot up a werk in a gite in france with a hire car vs a week at the four seasons in cyprus
Read the sunday times holiday supplement to see what "others" do?
What car do you want? Mercedes or range rover or nissan?
Eating out is it prezzo or four star michelin?
Do you buy clothes at h&m or reiss ?

Well, this is it you see. I've never had the opportunity to do any of this before. I buy practically all my clothes second hand and have always worked when I've gone abroad (or got cheap airbnbs if a holiday). I've never been on a ski holiday as I've never had money. Cars don't really interest me but I've never had the cash to be interested in anything expensive. I've always been scrimping and saving until now. Finally for the first time, from September we will have actual money and be settled in our house... and I don't really know what want. So I'm trying to come up with a budget.

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Alwayswonderedwhy · 15/01/2023 18:57

It's impossible to tell by asking a bunch of people on here. Someone has just said they want £3000 a month.
We have about £500 left a month and feel like we have a nice life.

nc8975 · 15/01/2023 18:57

@surreygirl1987 but to make it more useful for you. The way we have done it is to have a "holiday pot", "Christmas pot" "leisure pot" we also have a bit of fun money each we spend guilt free. Back when we were in the childcare years the amount into those pots was small and activated and holidays reflected what could go in, but as the kids have got older (and out of childcare) and jobs have improved we have gradually increased.

Work out what you'd want in there as a minimum (work out birthday budgets, what you want to spend for Christmas etc, days out etc) see how much you need to do as a minimum then maybe work out what would be "nice to have" then see how much that leaves you to save and adjust as necessary. Helps to have to end goals too; retirement, mortgage, perhaps dream holidays, cars etc. I have a 5 year plan....yes I am financially anal! After years of having to be very careful, I've just remained that way! I want my money to work hard!

FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 15/01/2023 18:57

Holidays abroad seem to be mind blowing amounts. If you want to go several times a year as a family of 4, that's £10k net just there.
Eating out. £3k ish?
Cinema trip (if they still exist in a couple of years) £1k a year if you include snacks bought there.

nc8975 · 15/01/2023 18:58

*activities

PinkiOcelot · 15/01/2023 18:58

confusedcentral5 · 15/01/2023 16:58

it depends on mortgage & childcare costs but after those & savings I would want minimum of 3k a month

£3k a month fun money?! Give over. Some people don’t even earn that full stop never mind after expenses paid.

Pringlesinthebath · 15/01/2023 18:59

I’ve name changed as I’m actually a bit embarrassed having added this all up. We are in a completely different financial situation to you as our income is much lower, but some fairly basic set costs:
(We have three children)
Swimming lessons: £115 per child per term. £115x3x3= £1035 per year

Dance lessons. 3 per week for the older two, who get a multi class and sibling discount. £100 per month. 1 per week for the youngest. £68 per term. They like to do a one week summer school as well which is £150 each. 1200+204 +450=£1854 a year. The second hand uniform is easily £200 a year extra, plus exam fees as and when plus extortionate tickets to their yearly show and I reckon we’re nearer £2200 per year. 😬

Hockey session once a week. £3 each. 9x50= 450. They only do a few matches but £5 each fee per match. £45. Kit/sticks/gumguards roughly £100 a year. One ‘hockey camp’ day a year £60 each. 450+45+100+180= £775 per year.

Worth noting that Breakfast club (everyday) and afterschool care (twice a week) costs us on average £700 a month for school months, so £7000 a year.
Holiday care is exceedingly expensive but you won’t have this cost.

We take one 2 week holiday to France a year, we don’t pay for accommodation (which is what makes this doable) ferry crossing, fuel and a few meals out/3 big days out - it costs £2000.
We camp in Cornwall for one half term and this costs about £500.

Kids are at a state primary school and take 3 day residential trips each year which are awesome but cost £230 each. They also swim as PE for a term every year in school time which costs £60 each. School dinners in the winter are £12 a week each for 15 weeks. 690+ 180 + 540= £1420. Uniform is necessary rather than fun but make sure your budget is up to date. Clarks school shoes are £45 each and they get through two pairs each a year so £270! Uniform £100x3 a year. I dread to think what secondary costs will be.

We gave up on music lessons very quickly as we couldn’t really afford them and the kids weren’t that keen, but they cost £15 each per week plus instrument hire. So would have been £2500!!

We actually are out for lunch earlier as a treat at Prezzos. Lunch for the five of us came to £85 and we’re not near London. That could add up very quickly if you’re doing it often. Theatre costs £150 each time, we go once a year.

I’ve had a look back and as well as the activities I’ve listed we spent over £3000 on days out last year- a bit of an eye opener for me- but it adds up very quickly. Eg. For one day: Fuel + Go ape + forest parking + coffee + bike hire was £220. In one day… and we’d taken a picnic 😄. Even soft play for a couple of hours is £50.

I definitely can’t help with expensive holiday costs as we can’t afford it. My parents always scrimped and saved and we never did anything- they then lost money later on so we never reaped the benefits.
I very much opt to throw every spare penny at giving my children the best experiences that I can, but it may well be overkill. So £10k without snazzy holidays or frequent theatre for us- hope that helps a bit!

surreygirl1987 · 15/01/2023 18:59

Secondly, over the next four weeks or whenever you get your extra money, live the life you want to live.

I'm guessing you haven't read the thread. We have NO extra money at the moment. The only fun things we do are free. We don't live the lives we want to live right now. Childcare is financially crippling. But that will change in September.

If you feel you’ve only had as much fun as a working class thicko, increase the amount.

Not sure why you're referring to working class as 'thickos'...

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