For the benefit of any readers who may be new to this debate:
Quinoawoman said:
"It is totally possible to be concerned [...] without being transphobic. Some posters have managed that [...]. Others sadly cannot, and feel the need to say that trans women can never be women, etc."
It is not transphobic to say that transwomen are not women and never can be. It is just recognising biological reality.
"Lots of people also screaming"
Note the emotive language.
"without factoring in the experience of the vast majority of the trans community - who are also a target for abuse from males"
Male violence against other males (transwomen) is not females' problem to solve. Transwomen need to solve their own problems without imposing on women's spaces.
"Personally, I would feel safer around trans women who still have penises than male-presenting penis owners"
How can you tell who still has a penis? It has no correlation with how the person presents outwardly.
Note that the poster is being discriminatory in making judgements depending on how the transwoman presents - a big mistake. My understanding is that the trans ideologues consider it transphobic to judge a person on how well they 'pass'. The 'male-presenting penis owner' could be a transwoman who is very early on in their 'journey'.
By the phrase 'male-presenting penis owners', I think the poster just means 'men': the ordinary non-trans variety. In which case her judgement of risk and feeling safer is skewed. Given that predatory non-trans men can and do dress as women to gain access to women, I suggest it is statistically more likely that male people in dresses proportionally pose more of a threat to women than male people in men's clothes. I would be interested in more research into the numbers.
Women have absolutely no way to tell who is a "genuine" transwoman (if there is such a thing) and who is a predator. Note also that this is a false dichotomy as a 'genuine' transwoman could simultaneously be predatory.
"trans women who still have penises [...] being aware that those who suffer abuse are at the hands of men are way less likely to perpetrate it against others."
This doesn't follow. People who had been abused, especially in childhood, are more, not less, likely to become abusers.
Even if a transwoman was not a victim of childhood abuse, it does not follow that they are less likely to abuse women, because research shows that transwomen have male patterns of offending behaviour: they commit crimes at the same rate, and of the same type, as other men, not the same as women.
"I understand from some of the articles linked here that there are exceptions, but as someone else has pointed out, we have very little hard data about how common this actually is."
It is difficult to collect such data, as a) the statistics are deliberately obscured, e.g. police reports of 'women' which omit to say that they are transwomen, and b) anyone attempting honest research would likely be called a transphobe and persecuted accordingly.
"it would be pretty traumatic [...] such vile views."
Note the emotive language.