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To be expecting more from the police than this?

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Whatshouldhappenhere · 09/01/2023 09:02

I did start a thread over in chat a few days ago and received some helpful responses but I’m just looking for some general advice about the police/legal system in general and hoping someone can help. Also wondering whether I’m expecting too much.

Background is: 12 yo DS was attacked on his way home from school last week by a boy he recognised from school but had never interacted with before and didn’t even know his name. DS overtook three boys from his year at school, one boy pulled his airpod from his ear as he walked past so DS snatched it back, shouted at them and ran away. After a short while, DS realised they weren’t chasing so stopped running but this boy then decided to start chasing, caught up with DS and punched him 4-5 times in the face. A woman who lived on the street intervened so the boy stopped and ran away (who knows how long the attack would have gone on for had she not intervened).

My first port of call was the school as soon as I found out, they said the student liaison officer would phone me back. Then I called 101 who took all of the details, gave me a crime number and said an officer would visit to take a statement. The SLO found out the boy who attacked DS was expelled before Christmas so the school had no jurisdiction and couldn’t act. He found the other two boys and had a chat with them but that’s the end of school involvement. The assistant head spoke to me on the phone last Thursday and promised he would have a chat with DS on Friday morning but never did. I believe this was simply damage control more than anything, he was acting like my best friend throughout the chat but didn’t follow through with the promise to chat to DS so I’m fairly disappointed although I do understand why the school can do very little else.

A police officer visited on Saturday. I thought he would sit and take a lengthy statement and be here a while but he was here for 5 minutes. He simply asked DS what happened and told me he would go talk to the boy and his parents now. I asked why it wouldn’t be taken any further and he said they don’t like putting children through the legal system over what was probably a heat of the moment thing. He said he’s sure I wouldn’t want DS’s life potentially ruined if he did something like this so I said DS wouldn’t do something like this though whereas this boy has and he’s already been expelled from school.

Basically police stance was they don’t like to charge children because it can affect their lives forever so deal with it. I contacted 101 later that day after mulling over it to ask to speak to the officer or someone else about it because I’m disappointed in the outcome. They said the officer would call me straight back but I’m still awaiting that call. Contacted 101 again yesterday to chase the call back and they said someone would call me but they’re unable to offer a timescale so I’m not hopeful anyone will.

Where do I go from here, if anywhere? Have the police done enough? Is a chat with the boy sufficient and I’m being horrible expecting anything beyond this? It’s just the fact it was a totally unprovoked attack and my DS is a really good boy, his only mistake was walking past the wrong person at the wrong time.

OP posts:
PinkSyCo · 09/01/2023 15:39

Whatshouldhappenhere · 09/01/2023 13:18

DS (age 11-13) was twice innocently beaten up by other kid(s) at age 14/16

How is one ‘innocently’ beaten up, exactly?

I don’t want him to have a criminal record necessarily, I just think he deserves something beyond a short telling off by a police officer which he probably won’t take seriously anyway. I do believe in rehabilitation so perhaps this is a route the police could take with him but I guess he’ll have to commit more crimes before this happens.

How do you know the kid won’t take the telling off seriously? Most bullies are cowards and would shit their pants if a police officer came knocking for them. Not only that, the kid’s parents will now be aware and will hopefully punish him accordingly. I understand how you must be feeling (I would be very upset and angry if my child got punched for no reason), but I don’t really know what you expect the police to do at this stage.

limoncelloo · 09/01/2023 15:39

@Bepis I can't quote you, but re the audio evidence, it would get nowhere in court on its own.

Just using your general scenario as an example loosely, the neighbour could say that you were coming towards her in an aggressive manner, raised your fist, gritted your teeth, looked angry, that she was in fear and that's why she pushed you. Or any number of excuses/things that can't be identified from audio.

I'm not saying that's what happened at all btw! Just an example.

It is probably clear to you on the audio as you were there, but courts work as beyond reasonable doubt as we know.

Felix125 · 09/01/2023 15:40

Whatshouldhappenhere
Did your son want to persue it through the courts at that point when he spoke to the police officer

Bepis · 09/01/2023 15:40

@Whatshouldhappenhere I genuinely feel frustrated and disappointed on you and your sons behalf. I would have hoped at the least they could have put something in place where that boy is not allowed to come near your son.

There just doesn't seem to be any justice.

Felix125 · 09/01/2023 15:42

Bepis · 09/01/2023 15:40

@Whatshouldhappenhere I genuinely feel frustrated and disappointed on you and your sons behalf. I would have hoped at the least they could have put something in place where that boy is not allowed to come near your son.

There just doesn't seem to be any justice.

That's a non molestation order or restraining order. These can only be granted through the courts

Whatshouldhappenhere · 09/01/2023 15:42

BritAbroad101 · 09/01/2023 15:36

I’m not saying it’s right but surely this whole situation isn’t a great surprise?

Young lads get in to scraps when they’re in this age. Police can’t be involved on them all and especially not beyond a brief talking to

It wasn’t a scrap. Yes, young boys do ‘get into scraps’ but my DS isn’t into fighting with other boys and he doesn’t hang around with boys who are into fighting either. He has never been in trouble at school throughout both primary and secondary. The worst any teacher has ever said about him is his handwriting isn’t the best which I can live with.

This wasn’t ‘boys being boys’ (which I don’t agree with anyway). My DS was walking home from school minding his own business when another boy decided to attack him quite viciously for absolutely no reason, it’s different to two boys fighting at school over a girl or whatever.

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Bepis · 09/01/2023 15:42

@PinkSyCo Thar exactly what happened my end. Police actually went and told the teenagers off who were kicking our door and made them cry. Put them on an acceptable behaviour contract and one of the parents apologised to us. Not heard a peep from them since.

Have to say I'm that instance, with that particular officer, she was brilliant. All depends who you get.

Bepis · 09/01/2023 15:43

@Felix125 it would have to be an injunction as a non-mol can only be granted if there was some form of relationship, romantic, parental, sibling etc

RandomPerson42 · 09/01/2023 15:44

He should at least get a caution which is kept on his criminal record.

I would want him to go to court though.

And if nothing happened I would want to find out where he lived and want to make sure his father got decked in front of him.

Felix125 · 09/01/2023 15:44

Its sounds like they haven't had chance to speak to the attacker yet - so this might be the same outcome.

limoncelloo · 09/01/2023 15:45

@Bepis a restraining order can only be put in place when there have been criminal proceedings i.e the matter has gone to court, which this hasn't and wouldn't.

Non-mol is for domestic abuse so not applicable.

Felix125 · 09/01/2023 15:45

RandomPerson42
He can only get a caution if he fully admits to the assault.

Felix125 · 09/01/2023 15:46

I think non-mol orders have changed recently and you don't have to be in a domestic relationship.

Bepis · 09/01/2023 15:46

limoncelloo · 09/01/2023 15:45

@Bepis a restraining order can only be put in place when there have been criminal proceedings i.e the matter has gone to court, which this hasn't and wouldn't.

Non-mol is for domestic abuse so not applicable.

I agree with you, she would have to apply to court under the Civil Procedure Rules.

Felix125 · 09/01/2023 15:47

That's a civil case and nothing to do with police - but the victim will still need to attend court

Gigglechop · 09/01/2023 15:49

If your DS didn’t know the boys, not even their names…. How was the issue progressed?

and you say DS didn’t see the other two boys so wasn’t aware they were nearby. so how were they reported to the school?

Bepis · 09/01/2023 15:49

Felix125 · 09/01/2023 15:47

That's a civil case and nothing to do with police - but the victim will still need to attend court

Yes they would. I mentioned it further up thread so the OP was aware there are other avenues if her son feels in danger.

Whatshouldhappenhere · 09/01/2023 15:50

PinkSyCo · 09/01/2023 15:39

How do you know the kid won’t take the telling off seriously? Most bullies are cowards and would shit their pants if a police officer came knocking for them. Not only that, the kid’s parents will now be aware and will hopefully punish him accordingly. I understand how you must be feeling (I would be very upset and angry if my child got punched for no reason), but I don’t really know what you expect the police to do at this stage.

I’m making assumptions based on the fact the boy was expelled from school a few weeks ago. If you have done something bad enough to be expelled from a school at 12 years of age and then you proceed to randomly attack a stranger a few weeks later for no reason, I’d imagine he isn’t the sort to be frightened by a visit from the police.

OP posts:
Felix125 · 09/01/2023 15:52

So what would you want instead?

Whatshouldhappenhere · 09/01/2023 15:53

Gigglechop · 09/01/2023 15:49

If your DS didn’t know the boys, not even their names…. How was the issue progressed?

and you say DS didn’t see the other two boys so wasn’t aware they were nearby. so how were they reported to the school?

When he turned up at school the following day everyone surrounded him to ask if he was attacked by x person. The other two boys had spread it around school that x had attacked DS so this is how DS found out who the attacker was. The SLO found out who the other two boys were because they had spread it around the year group so naturally people at school were saying ‘Y told me you were attacked by x’.

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CockSpadget · 09/01/2023 15:55

I would be absolutely livid in your shoes OP. That lad will just keep doing shit like this, and worse, because he is not being shown any consequences. I wouldn’t let this go until it’s been dealt with properly. Hope your boy is ok.

Felix125 · 09/01/2023 15:55

There's another problem - all that would be hearsay if it goes any further

Gigglechop · 09/01/2023 15:55

Whatshouldhappenhere · 09/01/2023 15:53

When he turned up at school the following day everyone surrounded him to ask if he was attacked by x person. The other two boys had spread it around school that x had attacked DS so this is how DS found out who the attacker was. The SLO found out who the other two boys were because they had spread it around the year group so naturally people at school were saying ‘Y told me you were attacked by x’.

So all on hearsay?
So you went to the school and said “my son was attacked by three boys and his classmates tell him that it’s XYZ”

correct?

even though on your other thread you say that DS wasn’t even aware of the 2 other boys at any point

Gigglechop · 09/01/2023 15:56

I mean I can’t understand why the school is adopting this approach given at the moment all based on classmates saying it’s xyz

Gigglechop · 09/01/2023 15:56

I mean I CAN understand.