Paul Breach

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For those of you who use TikTok, have you seen this Paul Breach Guy? What’s your opinions on him?
My cousins daughter showed me his videos, it’s quite alarming and I’m worried that he seems to get so much engagement on the platform which is really geared toward teenagers.

she’s explained the back story to me, he’s forty odd and got a 16/17 year old pregnant when he was 28 (I think). And he since has been allegedly messaging and creating content geared toward teenage girls. Most recently, he stayed in a hotel with a 19 year old with the pretence of taking photos, all starting to sound a bit Dahmer-esqe.

Forgive me if this isn’t accurate it is being relayed to me by a younger family member.

Urgh. This attitude is more sickening than Paul himself.

Completely agree. Disgusting victim blaming attitude with not one clue about how grooming works.

If I didn’t have first hand experience of being groomed then maybe I’d agree with the people above. Most sane people 100% support people who are victims of sexual exploitation getting justice. But it’s hard to support people who literally don’t feel like victims, haven’t reported a crime, didn’t feel like anything was wrong and were consenting adults. He’s an older guy who is loving the attention, dances like an idiot and is weirdly attracted to women half his age but until someone actually goes to the police and reports anything beyond this - he’s not a criminal and not a peado. I wish people online would do more research into the damage these sort of wild online accusations do to the conviction rates of actual sexual assault cases.

Couldn’t of put it better myself, AMEN.

@Hillary17 I hope to god you don't have access to vulnerable women and children.

Did you ‘know what you were doing’ at 19? Added in that this girl has mental health issues? Because I didn’t have a clue and I very nearly fell into a bad relationship with a man 10 years my senior as well. I was lucky that I had enough sensible people around me to see he was a walking red flag. No healthy, happy teenager sells her entire existence for the gratification of old men, no teenager can possibly fully understand the implications of that. They simply do not have the cognitive development or life experience.

As has been pointed out many times now, a girl over 16 can be groomed, especially if deemed vulnerable. There is a word for grown men that actively look for sexual activity with young-but-not-illegal people, though it is correct it’s not ‘peadophile’ specifically. Paul has openly said he only looks to date girls in their 20s (and that is evidently a stretch of the truth). There is a reason men like him can’t/won’t date women their own age, and it’s absolutely about being fully in control of the relationship. No decent 43 year old man would date a woman (girl) half his age. Not one single one.

Just and FYI. 'Victims' don't have to feel like they are the victim, or feel like they have been exploited and groomed, for them to actually have been.

This was in reply to someone’s comment about how vile it is people are victim blaming this teenager, wasn’t agreeing to the message above!

Oh wow. It just gets worse.

@GinoVino As I mentioned, I’m probably better qualified than most of the people to be in contact with actual victims. You clearly don’t understand my point. No one has complained about him. The 17 year old pregnant ex is still a friend, still sees his son etc. As I said, I am in no way supporting him. It’s embarrassing but most people don’t understand how damaging this kind of attention can be to convictions of grooming and assault. If he IS a peadophile all the internet has done is make it much easier for him to access young girls, give in notoriety, make sure he’s now able to remove any evidence and make him more careful. Because there’s no evidence, no reports, no one is under age, nothing illegal seems to have happened … this weird online hunt is actually just going to mean he continues for much longer and is far more careful about stepping outside the legal grey line. Well done internet warriors.

@Hillary17 what evidence do you have he’s still friends with his ex or that he sees his son? Because much that’s come out recently suggests quite the opposite. Again you seem to be confusing ‘not underage’ with ‘not behaving in a socially and morally unacceptable way’. Because the latter can easily stray into illegal behaviour such as abuse or conceive control.

@Gerrataere She’s been in several of his videos. I’ve said above he’s creepy sure & it’s embarrassing but people can’t just say someone is a peado because they have weird morals. If anything illegal has happened, it hasn’t been reported and honestly girls are less likely to do so now with all this attention on the situation. He’s also now far less likely to be caught doing anything illegal with this many people constantly watching his every move. Weird stuff yes, but anything to get caught? Unlikely now!

@Hillary17 you need way better safeguarding training if your attitude is indicative of your experience of being 'qualified than most of the people to be in contact with actual victims'. Who are you to say who is and isn't an 'actual victim'!? Horrific attitude.

You have no idea who has or hasn't made complaints about Paul. You have no idea if the police are currently investigating any allegations against him of grooming.

Grooming vulnerable women on the internet IS illegal. Not calling out visible online grooming and unacceptable behaviour towards young women, is 100% more damaging to the conviction rate of groomers.

The 17 year old pregnant ex is still a friend, still sees his son etc.

Paul has said otherwise himself.

@Hillary17 which videos has she been in? I’ve been catching him on and off for nearly a year now and never seen her in any video of his. The fact she’s put a legal document in place allegedly putting stop to him talking about her or their son doesn’t suggest a particularly good relationship. Takes a lot of communication breakdown to go to court. He certainly hasn’t been to visit his son in months, that is evidenced by his daily lives from either his dads house or the latest hotel he’s in. He openly shares his current location with the world, we all know he’s not seen his son in a long time. Again, doesn’t sound like things are positive with his ex and family.

As for going into hiding, what happened with that poor teenager recently and her own words about it, I think that’s nonsense. He’s openly toeing the line more than ever. He doesn’t have the sense nor brains to be subtle or careful. He’s a Grade A narc, he will keep openly pushing the boundaries just for the shits and giggles of gaslighting us all on technicalities of legality.

Oh lord, Pool has made the crossover to Mumsnet.

I’m going to leave the conversation at this point. There’s people here who don’t actually want to hear anything other than their own opinion echoed & it’s quite upsetting. Despite explaining I have been a victim and therefore have insight into the impact these kinds of situations can have, I am apparently unqualified to have any opinion and shouldn’t be near women or children.

There was never any hint of me blaming any woman that’s been a victim or been made to feel uncomfortable by him - I was simply saying there doesn’t seem to be any. No crimes seem to have been reported (that we know of) & he doesn’t seem to have broken any laws. He may be creepy, weird and have strange morals but people trying to be heroes online will ruin any chances of getting him convicted if he has done anything illegal. It is however great to know there’s so many experts online in grooming and sexual assault laws.

My DH was double my age. We were together for 22 years until he died from cancer. He was a very decent man/person, good husband and excellent father to our children. While I agree that this man is targeting vulnerable young women (not young girls, they are young women) and is a creep, the blanket statements that you are making about mixed age relationships is wrong. We were judged and shunned by people like you, with your bigoted mindset. Many 19 year old do know what they are doing, after all we expect them to pick their degree course etc.

You've got her confused with a girl he was dating last year. Paul has said himself that he legally cannot talk about his son or his mother. With the amount of time he spends on live and roaming different cities it's hardly a stretch it assume he also legally can't see his son

@Ponoka7 I’m sorry about the loss of your husband, genuinely. But absolutely nothing will change my mind, especially in this day and age, about middle aged men should be dating any woman under the age of 25. There is no good reason for any man 40+ to be looking at dating a teen/early twenties woman. There are endless reasons as to why, but I also appreciate for your own experience you would not agree.

I also don’t agree about the pressure of choosing university as a teen, but that’s not the discussion here so will leave it at that.

@Ponoka7

What about the 19 year olds who are not expected to pick degree courses because they are vulnerable 19 year olds who have no one on their side, looking out for them?

Come on, you can't judge a predator based on their potential victims. This is one man who consistently targets much younger women/teens and while the majority of 19 year olds probably would see him for what he is there are plenty who wouldn't. That's not ok.

Vulnerable people need protected.

@Hillary17 with all due respect, your experience isn’t the only voice here. It sounds like you’ve had an awful experience but that doesn’t give you the right to undermine what is happening here with this man. You cannot boil it down to legal/illegal actions, this is about what is causing harm even if it’s never going to lead to a conviction. How can we create a progressive society that is safer for girls and women when we still are so literal and dismissive about harmful male behaviours?

Absolutely agree.

Are you leaving the thread due to the reason you’ve stated or because of the misinformation of your posts?
As someone who considers themself ‘better qualified than most of the people to be in contact with the actual victims’ the substance of your posts are greatly concerning. You state this man & his ex are still friends & he still sees his son. May I ask how you know this?
If you are better qualified than most of us plebs you’d have done your research and would’ve known that there is a legal document in place which prevents him contacting the mother of his child or discussing her on SM and that his poor son is being bullied because of his father’s inappropriate behaviour.
The girl I assume you’re mistaking for his ex is someone else (one of many young women who he has targeted over the last 18 months)

For someone who is better ‘qualified’ than the rest of us, it’s concerning that you didn’t carry out basic due diligence before posting.

Paul Never got anyone pregnant, it was a rumour made up that spread like wildfire, and the rest of the allegations followed, im not a fan of Paul in the slightest bit I genuinely believe his behaviour is down to not being able to accept he isn’t so young anymore, he’s been getting physically attacked while leaving his home and is receiving death threats, we shouldn’t hate.
it’s gotten out of control with the online bullying and after his recent video I fear for this man’s mental health.