Do those who voted Tory not realise if acutely unwell they will need A&E as no equivalent in the private sector?

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Just that they will have the same problems accessing A&E and ambulances as others without private health insurance. And they voted for this?

PFIs were actually brought in under the Conservative govt in 1992, and then expanded under the 1997 Labour govt.

Wheres the Boris Brexit Bus money?!!!

Someone needs to hold his arse accountable

They do blame the Tories - saying we wanted more money but big bad Tories won't give it to us. Or if we were independent we would live in a land of milk and honey because we could do what we want (borrow our way out of it).

Honestly the whole NHS regardless of which part of uk you are in isn't working And I agree with PPs - throwing more money would help but fundamentally the system is broken.

I’m not interested in reading uninformed opinions of the NHS. It’s a waste of everyone’s time, so I’m going to leave this thread now. If you feel the same, please read this thread from an NHS doctor of 32 years standing about what the problems are in the NHS, and possible fixes.

Ha yes. The tories have had 12 years to fix this.

um,mental health absolutely did exist post war and pre war,you didn't hear about because people went into. " county asylums" when I started my mental health nurse training in the early 90,s they were in the process of pulling down all the big institutions,,the trust I trained and worked for had records dating g back to the 1800,s ,mental health was always known as the Cinderella service of the NHS.

This.

It's a long term issue that definitely has roots in Blair. Hospital funds now go on buildings due to these schemes rather than the government owning the buildings. We could have just put it into national debt at the time and it would cost us less but labour didn't because fudging the books improved their election hopes.

Money we in the past spent on care, is now going to these companies.

There is much to complain about in terms of the current lot but actually there is a problem with all parties on this and we still pay less per head on health care than our counterparts in Germany and Scandinavia.

People don't want taxes to go up either - many because they can't afford it. But that's the trade off.

I'm so past the 'evil tory' narrative. It is members of the public who are turning up at a and e for issues that should be dealt with by a GP. Many because they don't want to wait and live in online instant expectation land or can't cope with the concept that doctors can't fix every sneeze and sometimes you just have to rest and wait for your immune system. I appreciate that some are struggling to get appointments but that's far from the case everywhere and it's easier for many to queue for hours at a & e rather than do the same for a GP. If the problem was fundamentally worse in areas where getting a GP was more difficult, then there might be an argument to make, but this really doesn't seem to be the case.

The public need to take on a degree of responsibility here instead of just blaming the Tories. That's too easy and too simplistic.

Wow, your ignorance is truly astounding! Genuinely, how does it feel to be that ignorant?

academic.oup.com/ije/article/39/6/1464/736597

"Rates in males were consistently higher than females throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, although the male-to-female sex ratio fluctuated from 4 : 1 in the 1880s to 1.5 : 1 in the 1960s. Suicide rates increased in all age groups in the 1930s, coinciding with the Great Depression. The highest male rates (30.3 per 100 000) were recorded in 1905 and 1934 and have since been declining. Female rates peaked in the 1960s (11.8 per 100 000), declining afterwards. In both sexes the lowest recorded rates were in the 21st century."

Great post @MargaretMead .

That Twitter thread is brilliant.

So what is the process? I've just had a big lottery win and coincidentally need emergency care. If I want to spend the money to jump the queue at A&E how do I do that?

I'm sure no one influential (as opposed to a WC lottery winner) would have to wait on a trolley for ages, but what would happen for them in practice? How/where do they get emergency care?

Not sure length of time is that good for Labour in Wales…

@x2boys I always enjoy your well-informed posts around this subject thank you. But you’ve piqued my interest - what is meant by “Cinderella service”? I’d consider myself pretty knowledgeable but I’ve never come across that term before.

Blair's govt did not bring in PFIs. They were an initiative brought in in 1992 under Major. Whatever else he did, Blair was not the architect of PFIs.

fullfact.org/online/pfi-nhs-cost-labour/

Not sure why you asked me this, @Dryandirriatble

I was merely commenting on a reponse from another poster

I did not mention waiting times etc

A lot of people who have private healthcare simply don't get as far as needing to use A&E. Obviously that's not black and white and everyone knows it's not available privately and that they may have to use it. However, many people end up in A&E because waiting lists are so long and referrals so hard to get that their condition becomes untenable. It's more likely if you have private healthcare you'll have had your gallbladder, back problems, heart surgery and other investigations looked at before you get to the point where it's an emergency.

@WhenIAmOldIShallWearPurple of course I know mental health has always been an issue! Jeez that was called implied sarcasm. I'm simply saying that it didn't swallow up nhs resources the way it does now.

I'm my opinion mental health needs it's own nhs service. Separate from physical health. I have a friend who's a nurse on a children's ward and there are families of kids with cancer sitting on ward terrified of a teenager running round threatening physical violence. That isn't ok is it?

It’s because they were expanded under Labour so much if what is owed now was incurred then.

It was a term,used to.describe a service that was forgotten about , ,neglected, as in the fairytail,cinderlla,was neglected and forgotten about an afterthought .

you obviously wouldn't jump an A&E queue but maybe you'd have seen a private consultant before you got to the point of needing a&e. You'd also possibly depending on the condition, move to private care afterwards so see the consultant privately and not use NHS clinics for your follow up appointments. If you are admitted after A&E you might be able to be transferred to a private hospital or wing for your follow up.

I voted Tory because I won't vote Labour. Give me a choice over this useless 'two cheeks of the same arse' political shit show and I will vote for someone else. And yes, I do realise there is no A&E in private healthcare. But by the same token, by using my private insurance, I take up fewer appointments in NHS hospital clinics etc.

We simply have to look further than the Tory bad Labour good trope. We are all being shafted.

Maybe I haven't followed the thread, but I thighs the OP was being derided for suggesting A&E can't be accessed privately.

I've often wondered about this - not that it will ever affect me personally, but how do the rich and powerful avoid waiting for hours in A&E because I'm quite sure no Cabinet minister, big business leader or even film star, would.

I know, I said that in my first post upthread. It is still incorrect to say that Labour brought them in.

It’s isn’t true that famous people don’t use A&E. I was in there once and a household name comedian walked in with his wife. He was triaged just the same as everyone else.

They do have inpatient adolescent services ,they always have ,I have no.idea why a cancer patient was on a ward with a patient who.was running around threatening violence ,but unfortunately these. Kinds of things happen on all types of admission wards .