Do those who voted Tory not realise if acutely unwell they will need A&E as no equivalent in the private sector?

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Just that they will have the same problems accessing A&E and ambulances as others without private health insurance. And they voted for this?

That's not entirely true.

There are walk in centres (albeit not 24 hours) in the big London private hospitals plus lots of acute care - lots have quite advanced ITU's/theatres. Different outside major cities though.

Private GP's provide quite urgent referrals including to NHS.

Once admitted via NHS if an emergency once stable can be transferred to a big private hospital.

I work in the NHS but have worked in private care previously.

PFI was brought in by John Major's government and then expanded by the
Blair government. A fundamental issue is about tax. PFI was encouraged by both regimes so as to make it look like the country had less debt. Which is in turn back to the bigger issue - we are a country obsessed with low taxes and personal wealth people and we have failed to fund public services properly, and have not put enough money into the NHS nor into social care to keep pace with the ageing population. The Tories have been in power for 12 years and have wrecked public services. Austerity is a political choice to not fund services and it is not an inevitability. Tax cuts = service cuts, low taxes = low levels of service.

no I completely get it, if we don’t all worship the nhs and all it’s amazing workers then you’re a shit person

this is the way many threads have gone on here recently
“torrid underfunding the nhs!!!” “How can Tory voters sleep at night” “they’re just helping their rich mates”

it’s just the same shit over and over without anyone actually going “where the fuck is all this money going???”

working for the nhs sucks. You can pay them more or have a private insurance system or fucking give them 200000 billion every day and We’d still get these same fucking threads banging on about Tory voters

many people who work for the nhs are truly rude. Genuinely. I don’t believe all people who are employed by the nhs are wonderful people. Many are true, but many are not.

The whole thing is broken, tory,labour doesn’t matter. The system is f*cked, throwing cash at it isn’t going to fix it either.

Surely it's common knowledge that there isn't private A and E and that even if you go private many operations/procedures take place in NHS hospitals?
And why assume everyone who voted Tory has private health insurance?
FWIW I didn't vote Tory.
One of the issues with the NHS was it was set up for a much smaller population with shorter life expectancy (not suggesting euthanasia as a reasonable solution btw!)

I mean the poster isn't wrong, bullying is rife in many settings. Before this ever worsening shit show many staff left because they were treated like shit at work and no one would take it seriously, it is an important factor to consider in addressing the problems with retention.

I'm a labour voter and I have health insurance.

No-one voted for chaos in A&E. Or Covid or Russia's war on Ukraine and soaring fuel/food prices.

Labour entered into a ridiculous number of legally binding pfi arrangements last time, spending money like water on, in many cases, poorly designed, poorly built hospitals and schools that we will all be paying for for decades.

I'm not saying we didn't need investment in infrastructure, we did, but it was badly done and those agreements have to be paid off. There isn't a way out.

I'm a natural Tory voter who will vote Labour this time because of Boris & Truss (ridiculous woman). Someone needs to step in and sort the NHS and Education. Create a credible housing policy & deal with food & fuel security with regard to climate change. We need fundamental change. In attitudes as well as policy.

I don't have an issue with Rishi Sunak but he's hampered by a party that has moved too far right.

IMO, the Tories need to be in opposition to root out the old guard. They need an influx of new talent as Labour did after Corbyn.

But but but yeh but no but. 🤯😂

To be fair, anyone who is looking at the last TWELVE years of Tory government and thinking "yep, I'll definitely have more of that" aren't exactly demonstrating an ability to think logically.

Much like the posters on here claiming it's the fault of the last Labour government. Tories have been in power for TWELVE years. In that time I've moved countries and moved back again, got married, had two kids, moved house four times, renovated a house, had three different jobs. If I can do all that in twelve years, I'm pretty sure a party with access to top civil servants, consultants etc etc could sort out the NHS.

Not true! See my post above. I worked in advanced cardiac surgeries and cardiac ITU for years in private care.

Very location dependent to be fair - in London and a couple of other major cities all acute care is available. Not so outside of there but a lot of people travel in.

Wish people would stop saying this!

In fact we did lots of surgery lists for the NHS - spent quite some time clearing the neuro lists for Kings college a few years back - spinal decompressions etc

Stop constantly posting the same thing! Thread after thread - it's very dull.

BTW there is a private A&E in London called the Princess Grace.

Incidentally the majority of working class people voted conservative at the last election.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election and the majority of those wouldn't be able to afford private medical care anyway.

I suppose Tory voters did vote to destroy the NHS in the same way that Labour voters support anti semitism and the eradication of women's rights.

Everyone who has private health insurance knows that it doesn't cover emergencies so I am very confused by your post.

I have absolutely no doubt that the NHS would be in this same parlous state if Labour had won the last election.

Imagine thinking that people who vote Conservative all live in detached houses in the countryside

Do you honestly think that most people who voted Tory last time would have had private health insurance? Very naive if so.

Amd I’d have thought it pretty common knowledge that private hospitals do not have A&E departments.

It would appear the Op only grasped this point very recently and thought she would educate others 😂

Exactly

So government could have stopped people from stuffing their faces with junk, getting obese and then experiencing the many many illnesses and social care needs that are directly linked to obesity.

NO government*

Scotland and Wales are also in the shit and our healthcare is fully devolved 🤷🏻‍♀️

Another poster who thinks it's really cool to light the blue touch paper and retire

Ignorant beyond words

I worked for the NHS for over 20 years so quite a while the above posters is correct ,the whole thing is a mismanaged money pit and needs total restructuring from top.to bottom .

I honestly don’t think the OP was trying to fan flames

I think she honestly had just realised that private health doesn’t include a&e and thought was was making a big revelation to mumsnetters.

She has now realised that she was completely barking up the wrong tree and has embarrassed herself