Tory voters are hypocrites to complain about the state of the NHS

[Kendodd]

Wtf did they think they were voting for? The Tories have NEVER left the NHS in a better state when they left office than it was in when they came to power.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/tory-voters-believe-government-failed-nhs-education-austerity-poll-suggests-2058898

On the one hand you have Labour who throw money around like its confetti and then you have the Tories who want us to live within our means.

Live within our means

Whilst ensuring that the super rich remain just that and the poor are deprived of everything like good food , warm safe homes , basics of life

It's not how much money it's how it's distributed that matters

Billions to their mates ? No worries
Millions to the poor ? Not affordable

@midgetastic furlough helped the poor and the idea was copied by countries all over the world.

A lot of people spout nonsense about the underfunding of the NHS. Actually funding has increased in real terms by something like 39% since the Conservatives took office. Apologies but I can’t remember the source. The point is, the model is broken. It’s too big and inefficient. Too many chiefs.

It’s very handy for people to blame the Tories for everything. Never ceases to amaze me that those that do, seem have a distinct lack of critical thinking skills.

The problem with people like midgetastic is that they see life as a challenge to decide who to blame for their own mistakes and unhappiness rather than trying to understand the world and make it, and themselves, better.

I see that the o lt way to make the world better is to work together not try to be better or have more than anyone else

I don't blame others for my situation which is fine - good brain - but I do blame others for the poverty around me which I have brains to see isn't actually their fault or under their control

Perhaps you can't imagine caring for the stranger
Caring for the stressed out social worker and the overworked to disability truck driver ?

midgetastic - you don't seem to care about anyone except yourself and spouting hatred of the cartoon villains you like to imagine are responsible for all the ills of the world. So many people on this thread seem incapable of grown-up thinking.

I now live in Wales, the NHS is on its knees but the labour government still insist on giving free prescriptions to everyone just to get votes and to be seen as better than the Tories. I'm sure 99% of people would happily pay for prescriptions and spend the money on the NHS. Only people on low incomes should not pay. Yes it's great to pick up your prescriptions for free but I'd rather be able to see my doctor or get my ears syringed ect.....

I think every economic analysis of the past 60 years, plus the ONS disagrees with this. In terms of GDP, wage growth, income inequality (including the gender gap), unemployment and industrial action the conservatives have performed much worse than Labour, despite holding power for much longer. And that's before we discuss the quality of public services. Nice sound ITE though.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-which-party-has-a-better-track-record-on-the-economy

If there's a space on my next vote that says "Hung Parliament", I'll tick it. Anything to get out of the endless cheap point scoring. I happen to think Keir Starmer will make a decent PM, and I hope Wes Streeting becomes Health Secretary, but the first party to propose that the future of the NHS is put on a non-party basis will definitely win my vote.

The time for NHS reform has come: what we should replace it with, and how it should be funded is the debate that needs to be held. An ageing, unhealthy population

My brief encounters with French healthcare (as a tourist, accessed via the EHIC system) persuades me that they do it better. Germany operates a similar model, Israel and Australia also seem to perform fairly well. Health maintenance organisations like Kaiser Health in California, Puget Sound in Washington and the Greater NY HMO are akin to mini-NHS in the USA. But all involve an element of co-payment.

@Hobbi that may be the case but it probably because once Labour is finished with their exuberance the Tories have to pick up the pieces. It's a bit like going into a teenagers bedroom and having to tidy up the mess.

So, OP, would you like to give us a run down of how we would be faring as a country now, if the delightful Jeremy Corbyn had seized power? 😉

That's not what the statistics show in regards to longer term strategies such as government debt and balance of payments. It's also illogical considering the much longer period of governance the Tories have presided over.

I'm sure if Jeremy Corbyn had been in power we would be in such a brilliant place, the strongest economy in the developed world, no strikes, a budget surplus, an over performing NHS and no inflation! Haha!

@ hobbi this is a joke right, Labour is the party of profligacy!

You have a very short memory op, Labour did no better, (and left the whole country bankrupt withdraw Gordon selling all the gold) SNAp have run the Scottish nhs into the ground,, as have labour in Wales

the actual problem is NO government is prepared to take the nhs by the balls and actually sort it out, partly, in my opinion, as they know unions won’t support any change, and partly because they are scared of Jo Public.

whilst they need money now to recruit it should be given with the caveat a full streamlining exercise is undertaken on working practices, with improvements made, community nursing brought back, shift patterns to allow weekend operations etc, automation of back office practices, the nhs is drowning in paperwork

we simply cannot continue to throw money at it

From the Daily Telegraph, today, reporting on a recent report from the Institute of Fiscal Studies covering NHS figures from the last three years.

"Its starting point is the substantial increase in health service expenditure - 11% higher in real terms - over the past three years before moving on to evaluate the effects, elegantly summarised in two bar charts.

The first: ‘NHS staff in 2022 compared to 2019’, reveals a major upswing virtually across the board:

10% more consultants
15% more junior doctors
8% more nurses
14.5% more senior managers
Turning to the second chart: ‘NHS treatment volumes in 2022 compared to 2019’, we see a similar striking pattern but in precisely the reverse direction, with over the last month:

14% fewer outpatient appointments
14% fewer emergency admissions
11% fewer elective admissions
10% fewer ‘treatment from waiting lists’
This general trend is only slightly offset by a modest rise in GP and ‘first cancer’ consultations. This overall picture, the authors point out, actually underestimates that decline in ‘treatment volumes’ as over this period one would have expected them to have increased as the population increased and grew older.

Yes, his absolutely! Westminster has control of how much funding devolved governments are awarded.

Given that this total shitshow wasn't in the Conservative manifesto and actually they have told many lies about how safe the NHS is in their hands, I think Tory voters are as entitled to complain as anyone else. The people who aren't are those who didn't bother voting at all.

But it’s higher per head anyway?

The Barnett Formula, devised in 1978, awards higher per capita funding to Scotland and Wales to mitigate the higher cost of delivering public services in thinly populated regions.

The majority of 1 million staff who work in and manage the NHS are left wing
What a fucking ridiculous assertion, based on fuck all.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Why does some pillock always bleat "but Corbyn" as if it has even the slightest relevance.

The Gordon Brown gold myth is long discredited bollocks, as is the "Labour bankrupted the country". Tory borrowing and spending (and tax) has been consistently higher than when we were "bankrupt" under Labour - it's just a load of arse that has no credibility any longer.