Tory voters are hypocrites to complain about the state of the NHS

[Kendodd]

Wtf did they think they were voting for? The Tories have NEVER left the NHS in a better state when they left office than it was in when they came to power.

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Brexit has been done. The ongoing shitshow, instability, and economic damage IS brexit done. If leave voters think they voted for anything other than what we've got now, then they are stupid. There is no magic brexit land of sunlit uplands.

Brexit is done, change the record. (That's if folk are still moaning about it, not rtft as I get cross.. )
'Tory voters'? Can you tell me who else to vote for, please? If you mean Labour, I'd be very happy to hear any policies of theirs other than slagging the Conservatives off.

Don't forget the pensioners, they don't pay NI either. Although some would argue that by the time they've reached pension age, they've paid plenty (49 years worth of class 1 contributions, in my case). And children, let's make them pay, too.

Making benefit claimants pay would be daft, it would just be giving money from the government back to the government and would probably cost more to implement than it would raise.

I don’t think you should bring politics into it. The voters didn’t decide what happened to the NHS it was the government. . Too easy lazy and ignorant to blame the voters.

The NHS is left wing. It's a live demonstration of how well left wing people turn billions into inadequate services.

But yeah, they are all powerless, especially all the doctors and nurses, it's the old retired ladies who voted to leave the EU who actually manage the NHS staff and make them do their jobs badly.

Don't forget the pensioners, they don't pay NI either. Although some would argue that by the time they've reached pension age, they've paid plenty (49 years worth of class 1 contributions, in my case). And children, let's make them pay, too. 🙄

Making benefit claimants pay would be daft, it would just be giving money from the government back to the government and would probably cost more to implement than it would raise.

It is heart stopping rubbish to say "I vote conservative but support the NHS". They opposed its introduction, think it's a form of communism, and are quietly privatizing parts of it.

No real conservative would ever support the NHS. Yes a lot of guff about loving it or whatever, but it's basis and purpose?

Absolutely not. Conservative politicians aim to chop it up and privatize it. They certainly do not like it's structure or ethos.

Well aware there will be lots here saying "but I vote conservative and support it". That is different- you don't fancy paying. A real conservative has private insurance and doesn't use it.

Is it still much of a problem now we've left the EU, @Luckydip1 ?

As EU citizens no longer have the automatic reciprocal rights to healthcare that they had pre-Brexit, and only those immigrants with recourse to public funds can access free non-emergency healthcare, I'd have expected the number of "health tourists" to have fallen.

err? that doesn't make sense, we all knew in 2010 that the Cons were all in for Austerity, we knew that again in 2015 and that they promised a vote on EU membership, we knew they took away nurse bursaries and planned on huge cuts to adult social services, by 2019 we knew they had failed to recruit a single extra GP, despite the extra 5000 promised in 2015.

what you re really saying is that voters were too thick to know what they were voting for.

the collapse in the NHS has been predicted for many years, its now happening and you say don't blame the voters? i take it you vote Tory.

as for the politics, of course the NHS is politics, thats why there is a whole govt dept and a minister.

There were at least 2 forerunners to PFI under the Major govt: DBFO ("Design, Build, Finance & Operate") and PP (Public Private Partnership).

The local authority I worked for from 1991 - 1999 built a road under the former and a secondary school under the latter. Contracts for both were signed off well before 1997.

@LakieLady as long as Europeans have an EHIC card they can use the NHS.

Try getting private healthcare to cover something like multiple sclerosis*.

And once you have multiple sclerosis*, try getting private healthcare to cover anything.

When the NHS refuses to treat pre-existing conditions, then the fuckwits telling us to get private healthcare can unfuck off. Until then ...

*Other degenerative diseases are available. Terms and conditions apply. Your life may be forfeit if you do not keep up repayments.

Agree that the mud slinging is pathetic and gets us nowhere.
If anyone here criticises the way the tories have managed the country the response is invariably 'Labour are worse'. Pretty much always despite the evidence that some of their actions have actively destroyed parts of the economy (Brexit anyone ?) and they seem obsessed about pitting one group against another in their stupid blood culture wars. That's fact not opinion.
Labour are nowhere near perfect and the Conservatives also have some surprisingly decent ideas. Tories are not scum (another idiotic remark by someone who should know better and was just playing to her core supporters) but equally they've turned the UK into a bit of an economic basket case and made most of us poorer (according to the FT and the Telegraph). According to the evidence Labour aren't fiscally irresponsible but that's the cliched insult that keeps getting slung.
That's why threads like these are a waste of time. Just full of the same old posters kicking a political football around. Labour bad, Tories good or not as bad and vice versa. No one ever changes their mind, it's pointless verbal ping pong.

Hospitals, schools, police, fire service, midwives, train drivers.... if you want investment in these vital public services FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE STOP VOTING TORY!!!

@mamabear715 Read their website. Listen to the news. Follow Keir Starmer/Wes Streeting/Rachel Reeves etc on Twitter. I'm sure when Labour publicise their manifesto you'll be all ears 😂

Yep. ☝️

Was coming on to say the same thing

Not that hard. Just can be a bit pricy and depends on where you plan on using it, and levels of coverage. It’s like any insurance policy, there’s a risk/reward computation for the provider, and of course, if it’s affordable for the customer.

It's all champagne taste (Labour) but voting for a beer budget (Conservative). Never gets sorted, because British voters are cheap about public services. All the comparisons drawn against other European countries who pay more, yet we vote in a way that means money given is extremely political each time. The NHS worked and was managed very well until 2010.

It's like the Magnus Mills book where they all have it made and they allow a group of predatory people remove all their benefits while they strike for more money. The end comes and the complainers all have no job, no service and no money.

Who should pay more? Should GP and hospital stays incur a fee?

Lots of let’s do European model but vague on costs. I don’t think electorate would vote for paying at point of service here. Free model is so engrained.

Voting labour…. I just can’t bring myself to vote in the muppets who caused a decade of austerity, rather than those who are getting the blame for navigating it in the same way every other western economy did, with a big virtual printing press.

Might as well blame the tories for a pandemic and russia.

Labour can’t solve its internal issues of how far left it should be. Add in their views that trans peoples rights are more important than women’s (and i see that as a bi guy on the outside) and their next ambition of normalising kiddle fiddlers into society, starting with ‘Minor attracted person’ language, in their pursuit of all groups ideological, it just makes me sick. I was in a select session in November and overhead the term being used positively and it took me a while before i realised what had just been said.

Im sure as hell no Tory, being Scottish, but these Labour activists make be want to vomit.

Sorry but i can only disagree. In 2005/2006 i had two seperate health issues, both of which were handled negligently by the Nhs.

Two seperate gp practices as i’d moved homes.

Not a&e (that is very good i think) but rather the GP system and backup services were awfull.

If it’s got worse ? Omg!!

So you believe the Global Financial Crash was caused by Labour, then 10 years of austerity under a Tory Govt but for which Labour are to blame?

No major european economy had 10 plus years of Austerity, most stopped after 3, all after 5, LD's in 2015 said the Tories will continue even though its not needed because they want a smaller state, now we see the results.

Germany in fact had a series of fiscal stimuli after 2008.

the Police using the wording 'minor attracted person', men using womens DV refuge's, men in womens wards, men in female prisons... nhs not accepting a man raped a woman because is was trans... ALL is happening under a Tory Govt.

I don't think it is wise to attribute one negligence and extrapolate it to a whole system. That is just emotive, and defies the fact that most of the posters on this thread will have had good professional treatment. I have.

That is the point. It's got very good and well motivated people working for it. In terms of actual skill, it's hard to pay for better in the UK.

You can pay for other things associated with medical care of course. Private medicine is very good at that!

@Bard6817 & i had great treatment from NHS in the 2000's, this is why anecdotes are pointless.

Overall, the NHS has functioned relatively well as a health service for the last few decades.

That has changed since Austerity/Brexit/Covid & who has been in charge?

Btw @Bard6817 did they pay out for the negligence? They should have.