Tory voters are hypocrites to complain about the state of the NHS

[Kendodd]

Wtf did they think they were voting for? The Tories have NEVER left the NHS in a better state when they left office than it was in when they came to power.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/tory-voters-believe-government-failed-nhs-education-austerity-poll-suggests-2058898

For goodness sake. I'm an older Labour voter. If more younger people bothered to vote it would help to effect a change next election.

But only if they vote the way everyone wants them to.

Lots of people voted in the referendum … just saying!

Scotland have raised taxes - they DO have the power to raise more funding, but the reality is that funding isn't the only issue!

You do realise that political parties have policies for lots of different things, such as employment, business, economics, international relations, security, police, army, etc etc. So it's quite possible that Tory voters weren't particularly keen on Tory health policy, but preferred their policies on, say, the economy! People vote on a balance of the policies that matter to them, not on a single aspect.

Because savage, unprecedented cuts to council budgets mean that social care and mental health support has become the responsibility of the NHS - a much, much less efficient way to deal with these problems. All deliberate.

I don't think spend is rising sufficiently to bring services back to where they were in 2010. I think successive periods of reduced funding might have produced some unpleasant side effects.

I imagine years of cutting services (and reduced staffing levels and failures to address maintenance & infrastructure) has an overall impact on the efficiency of the system and the nations health (which adds further strain on the system and impacts productivity).

The British Social Attitudes Survey has asked the public since 1983 about their satisfaction with the NHS. From 2001-2010 the proportion of people in great Britain surveyed reporting satisfaction with the NHS generally increased to a peak of 70%.
That figure was from the 2010 survey, which took place between June and September, after the Coalition government had taken office. By 2017 satisfaction had fallen to 57%.

fullfact.org/health/satisfaction-nhs-peaked-2010/

Well if they voted for a prosperous economy they got that wrong @taxguru Literally billions written off or ‘given’ in contracts to their pals. No government is perfect, but the tortes have never had the wider public at heart. It’s all about the connections, donors and access to lucrative contracts.

Hobbi - you mean 'Correct'. Hth.

Scotland and Wales aren't independent though are they? although there's devolution involved, they're still ultimately bound by Westminster, particularly Wales.

The NHS was in a much better state in 2010, so what's changed in 12 years? It can't all just be Brexit and Covid.

PineapplePear, why not be honest about your motives here?

And it's not just the police service. Look at the state of the police force after all the cuts or the state of transport or education.

The Tories have destroyed our public services since 2010, mostly for ideological reasons - it was a political choice.

User135644 Scotland and Wales have specified areas of devolved powers (or rather, of non-devolved powers). Scotland, for example, could decide to raise income tax to increase funding for the Scottish NHS.

@Plbrookes i have no idea what you are talking about, I’m just expressing my opinion, same as others on the thread, isn’t that the point?

In 2019 I think a lot of people did not vote Labour because of their perception of Jeremy Corbyn, or because they hoped voting Tory would get Brexit completed (which it has not).

Health was down the list of issues compared with most general elections.

Don't teach your grandfather to suck eggs.

TBH they've not done great on any of those either, police number slashed, army slashed, economy wrecked by them (Truss) pissed of the worlds wealthiest trading bloc and told business to fuck off... Got Ukraine right 100%.

Plus all are inter linked, we've a poor elderly soul who has dementia, no care or support for her, Police keep getting called out to assist, there is no in care service for her.
Eventually she has been put in a medium secure unit & that's not ideal is it.

Brexit is complete. Ite missa est. Finit . Short of everyone in Britain commiting suicide, reverting to subsistence farming or , perhaps , eating one another , this is as extreme a Brexit as can be imagined.

The Tories may have their flaws. But you can't say they didn't get Brexit done. That would be monstrously unfair.

Wales NHS is atrocious! It's been completely mismanaged. It's run by labour.

They've run it into the ground, so many people are being failed, especially with cancer diagnosis.

Wales have full devolved powers of the NHS. But no the WAG have their mates in eye watering salaried management jobs soaking up money that should be directed to the front line and primary care.

Social services are also absolutely abysmally underfunded as is Social Care. All responsibility of the deviled assembly government.

The NHS across the board regardless of political party is in a shambles.

Too many factors have caused the ship to sink, it's not "just" the politicians.

Yes they could but they have to follow UK law on immigration and were equally effected by brexit (loss of staff) as was Wales.
If Scotland or Wales had a better NHS, nothing to stop English people using it.

But they still have to deal with the financial fallout of Brexit and the general state of the UK's finances under the Westminster government's mass-mismanagement of public finances and office.

Abhannmor - you're getting hysterical sweetheart. Calm down and try to think sensibly.

Health wasn't really a doorstep issue in 2019, it was all Corbyn and Brexit. The red wall for example wanted Brexit at all costs and a lot of people just wanted it over and done with, which the Tories convinced people over.

User135644 - your type told us that Scotland's problems were a lack of devolved powers, then it was a lack of tax raising powers and now you've run out of excuses. Try to understand that public policy is more complex than deciding which part of the population you want to blame for your unhappiness.

Yeah, how they doing with the economy btw?

Kendodd - try reading a newspaper.