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To call the police and ruin a friendship?

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Emschels · 31/12/2022 23:58

Hi all,

Happy New Year! Sorry this is a long one!

Me and my friend (28 & 29) have known each other since we were born really, as we both lived on the same council estate and our mums were friends. I have recently welcomed my first child with my partner, and she is his godmum. We do everything together - even work at the same school (although I’m on maternity at the minute).

On Boxing Day, her family always hold a little afternoon get together. Me and my partner always go and this year I took the baby. She brought her new partner (who we had met before at her house briefly earlier on in the year) who seemed to hit it off with my partner, and they were sharing drinks etc. It gets closer to my sons bedtime, and my friend asked if her and her new partner could come over to my flat and have a few drinks once I’d done the bedtime routine and got my little boy down. The night was fine, everything seemed great, nothing amiss. They left at 9.30ish, my partner then went to bed, I did the cleaning.

My boyfriend then woke up at 3am the next morning (27th) for work. On his phone, he had notifications from his HSBC app that his card had been used in three shops around our local area at just before 11pm the previous evening, as well as a hotel booking. He had also received emails from American Express letting him know that they had stopped a £57.99 transaction from a corner shop as they suspected fraudulent activity. We looked for his wallet and it was nowhere in the house; annoyed, he’s presumed he’s dropped it on the way to and from the get together and some opportunist has picked it up and used it. He’s called his bank, reported it as fraudulent and luckily they’ve refunded the money and action fraud have opened a case. Assumed the wallet would be long gone now etc but cancelled all cards and credit cards.

Later on that day, he checks his banking apps. All clear (except HSBC) apart from his barclaycard credit card (which doesn’t show pending transactions) now showing that this card was used in more shops - although some of these shops are specifically named after the area they are in (think London express for example). Two of the places are in an area of East London, which is where my friends new partner is from. For reference, we all live in South West London, about an hours journey away from him on public transport so we suspect it’s not a coincidence.

Ive told my friend that the cards were used in East London and immediately she’s on the defensive saying “No it couldn’t be him, he’d never do that,”. Fair enough, but I’ve told her that my partner will be contacting the police through 101 as these new transactions have bumped the total amount that was spent/stolen to £386 (!!). She agrees she would do the same thing.

Today she has called me and said that she has the wallet. Her partner admitted to it but said he was drunk and can’t remember and woke up with the wallet in his room. She said that her partner knows he messed up and is really sorry. Said she could never forgive him etc etc. He came, dropped off the wallet and she told him to leave. Earlier on tonight I drove to hers and knocked on the door to collect the wallet, he was in her flat. I was shocked he was there and angrily asked him why he did it, he said he didn’t know why, it wasn’t personal, he was drunk but he’s bought the wallet back and now this should be the end of it because my boyfriend ‘has been given the money back by the bank so hasn’t lost out’. At this point now I’m fuming. How dare he? I’ve said it’s not the end of it and if he can’t tell me why he did it he can explain to the police.

On the way home I got a number of WhatsApp messages from my friend asking why we were still contacting the police, and she thinks we shouldn’t do that because he’s said he’s sorry. I’m under the impression she thought that because he’d handed the wallet back, we’d miraculously thank him and not take any further action. I asked her about what she said about not forgiving him and why he was still in the flat, she said that shes stressed because she’s in the middle, can’t pick between her partner and me, even after he stole because he knows he did wrong and can’t remember anything from the night. We got into an argument after that and she’s blocked me on WhatsApp now because I refused to promise her my partner wouldn’t call the police.

My thing is that this is theft. A criminal offence. And he has taken the wallet from the house my partner shares with me and our 5 month old baby. I don’t buy his story about being too drunk to realise as well, because he was able to make a journey on a bus and 2 tube trains back to East London, as well as inputting all his personal information on to booking.com and going into several shops. Also, if he can do this to her friends and think he can get away with it - what’s next? Stealing from her family? Her?

One of her last messages to me was that if I call the police then I am throwing away her friendship because her partner (who is already on probationary license) will most likely be arrested and charged, and then she will feel ‘too awkward’ to talk to me. According to her, I’m being unreasonable because he’s handed the stuff back, my partner has been refunded from the bank, and he’s said he’s sorry, so I should just leave it there.

Im very very stoic on this but does anyone else think that I’m being unreasonable and blowing this all out of proportion?

OP posts:
RSintes · 01/01/2023 07:22

I'm sure this has been mentioned already but your mate's DBS (and therefore potentially also her job in a school) is at risk simply because she's in a relationship with someone on probation, even before this situation with the card happened. Her actions show incredibly poor judgment and great naivety and would cast doubts on her ability to properly identify and respond to safeguarding issues in a school context.

VariantHela · 01/01/2023 07:28

Well, doesn't he sound like a gem. YANBU continue down the police route

BMW6 · 01/01/2023 07:31

"No-one likes a grass" is only ever said by those with low moral standards who would no doubt steal themselves and just don't like the consequences

Most people would report this thief and certainly would end a friendship if she chooses to stick with the thief.

RSintes · 01/01/2023 07:37

Plus she has a young daughter of her own but has introduced this man into her child's life? Looks like she struggles to safeguard her own child, let alone other people's kids in a school.

Anniegetyourgun · 01/01/2023 07:40

I can't believe there are two people on this thread so far who think you shouldn't have reported it to the police. One even said it would make things worse! Well, it will for the criminal, which is kind of the whole point. I certainly would find it very hard to remain friends with someone who knowingly brought a criminal into my home and then defended them when they committed a crime against me - are you really saying you wouldn't have a problem with that? Oh, I see, it's all right as long as I found out and asked the bank for the money back 😕

midnightfirework · 01/01/2023 07:41

GCAcademic · 01/01/2023 00:03

As the thief is someone known to you and your boyfriend, your boyfriend needs to protect himself by reporting this to the police, otherwise he may find himself in a situation where it’s deemed he’s defrauded his bank(s).

Excellent advice. He has no choice really but to tell the bank.

Leave your friend to make her own shitty decisions about who she dates.

Crazykatie · 01/01/2023 07:41

Her boyfriend is a thriving toerag up to her if she stays with him, you won’t get a refund unless you report it to police.

Trainbear · 01/01/2023 07:42

The theft is bad enough and clearly a crime. The fact that they were enjoying your hospitality, that the scumbag was with your (useless) friend and stole from a friend, defrauded a friend is the really bad thing.
Accidently picking up a wallet whilst drunk - well inebriation is not an excuse, but thieving on many occasions - God rot their socks.

Twentypast · 01/01/2023 07:43

Iceballoon · 01/01/2023 06:57

I wouldn’t report him, but I would want the money he used paid back in full straight away, regardless if the bank were going to refund me.

Yes, it’s terrible what he done but you’ve known your friend for many years. Me personally I just wouldn’t get the police involved… as they say “no one likes a grass” 😔

Really? The bank has already refunded the money - he doesn't need it twice.

And nobody likes a grass is a ridiculous thing to say. If you don't want to be grassed up, don't commit crimes. Especially so close to home.

Tonsiltrouble · 01/01/2023 07:44

You’ve done the right thing. And do give the police the messages too.

I was on a jury a while back and a lot of the evidence was WhatsApp messages. The defendant was a nasty piece of work who had brutally attacked his gf, he too was out on licence for god knows what.

Ultimately you’ve done her a favour, she might not see it now, but it won’t be long before he gives her a reason to see that. And anyway, if she’s going to stay with him there’s no friendship to be had. You can’t have him in your home or near your child, and you can’t socialise with a known criminal.

he does know where you live though which would bother me. Do you have a ring doorbell or similar? Might be worth getting one.

Stunningscreamer · 01/01/2023 07:45

The only thing I'd disagree with you about, OP, is the idea in the subject heading that YOU would be ruining the friendship. It is very much your friend who is ruining the friendship. And it's shocking that she would allow her own child to be involved with this man, if he's staying in her flat. It would very much be your friend's responsibility if the daughter gets caught up in him being arrested, not yours.

Iceballoon · 01/01/2023 07:46

BMW6 · 01/01/2023 07:31

"No-one likes a grass" is only ever said by those with low moral standards who would no doubt steal themselves and just don't like the consequences

Most people would report this thief and certainly would end a friendship if she chooses to stick with the thief.

LOL

I have never stolen anything in my life, I have no need to steal. I actually like helping people and giving things away.

Calling the police on a long term friends partner is something I could never do, I have heart.

OP has also said that he is on “licence” so could get sent back to prison, but you think that’s good huh? sending someone back to prison over theft, when there are real criminals out there committing the most horrific crimes.

You sound like one of those people that would could the benefits office on their own friend.

Sunflowergirl1 · 01/01/2023 07:49

Emschels · 01/01/2023 00:18

Thank you for the responses - I knew I wasn’t being unreasonable but I just wanted to see if anyone else shared her reasoning to see if I was just letting absolute anger cloud my judgement.

I also didn’t even know about the possibility of banks making a connection and assuming my partner could be involved! Definitely going ahead. We have a CAD number already from when we called on the 27th, so will be updating them with the new information tomorrow.

Im actually surprisingly at peace with the fact that the friendship is over - it just hurts to know that she doesn’t value my friendship over this new partner who has proven he cannot be trusted.

I also mentioned the hotel to her, she said ‘he slept by himself, he lost his keys’. Lost his keys but stole a wallet? Clever guy.

Good you are rational about it. It just amazes me what some women put up with and defend men for. Are they really so desperate that they defend thieves and common criminals?

Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 01/01/2023 07:50

@Iceballoon the police are being called because of her friends partners actions. He will be recalled to prison (possibly) because of his own actions.

I actually think calling the police is the best thing she could do for her friend. Her new boyfriend stole from her friends and from his messages sounds like a pretty shit person (he was barely apologising and trying to make op out to be in the wrong). Hopefully the recall gives her friend time to reflect on the relationship and make a better choice for her child and son.

Tonsiltrouble · 01/01/2023 07:51

Also - if he’s really cunning, he will know that his actions will isolate her from you, her best friend. The abuse case I heard about in court centred on the woman being cut off from her friends.

Moveoverdarlin · 01/01/2023 07:52

You sound good friends. He’ll mess up again, he’s clearly a wrong ‘un. Then I have a feeling she’ll come back to you.

Anniegetyourgun · 01/01/2023 07:54

"Calling the police on a long term friends partner is something I could never do, I have heart."

That's not heart, that's stupidity. How about a heart for his victims? Oh that's all right, he only stole their money. That IS real crime. Not the worst crime but it's real nonetheless. I want to be protected as far as possible from all crimes, including having my stuff nicked. I worked for that stuff. He schmoozed for it, the dirty devil. He's just a parasite. And you think because he hasn't blipped someone over the head (that we know of, we're assuming it's only straight theft he's under licence for) he should be allowed to carry on his merry way? No wonder society is falling apart. We should be sticking together, not preying on each other.

Soubriquet · 01/01/2023 07:57

I can’t believe people are saying OP should not call the police!

Shocking.

Is this because it’s “just” theft? What if he raped someone? Murdered someone? Should the OP keep her mouth shut then too so she’s not seen as a grass?

Tonsiltrouble · 01/01/2023 07:57

Also have you tried googling his name? You might find the sentencing report in the local press.

GCAcademic · 01/01/2023 07:58

Iceballoon · 01/01/2023 07:46

LOL

I have never stolen anything in my life, I have no need to steal. I actually like helping people and giving things away.

Calling the police on a long term friends partner is something I could never do, I have heart.

OP has also said that he is on “licence” so could get sent back to prison, but you think that’s good huh? sending someone back to prison over theft, when there are real criminals out there committing the most horrific crimes.

You sound like one of those people that would could the benefits office on their own friend.

So you’d be willing to put yourself and your partner in a position where you’d be complicit in defrauding a bank in order to support your friend’s bad taste in men and overlook a serial criminal’s activity? So potentially a criminal record for your partner (and possibly you) and the end of your teaching career?

TangoAcid · 01/01/2023 08:00

@Iceballoon OP's friend has turned up I see.

*sending someone back to prison over theft, when there are real criminals out there
*
You sound a bit thick. This man is a real criminal. And it's not even his first time!! He deserves to go to prison if he can't control himself and stop stealing hundreds of £ of other people.

MuhMuh · 01/01/2023 08:04

Report. He’s on license, so he’s a full on criminal anyway. She’s a fool, I wouldn’t want to be friends with her anyway.

Nottodaysausage · 01/01/2023 08:06

I would be stunned if he stayed in the hotel alone. That just does not track for me. Why would he stop in a hotel alone when he has your friend to run around after him?

I wonder if she has ever felt jealous of you and the family unit and this theft was the pair of them

MerryChristmasTree · 01/01/2023 08:06

You know what @Iceballoon he could have prevented himself going back to prison by not stealing a wallet. But you put the blame on the OP. Hmm

LakieLady · 01/01/2023 08:12

I mean, I'd call the police solely for his horrendous grammar 😆

😂

I think you have to report, for all the reasons upthread.

I wouldn't worry about losing the friendship, either. Firstly, she's not a friend if she's complicit in this, and secondly, you'd be doing her a favour by getting this lowlife done for it. If he's on licence, hopefully he'll be straight back into the Big House.

Maybe she'll develop better judgment while he's banged up.

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