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To call the police and ruin a friendship?

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Emschels · 31/12/2022 23:58

Hi all,

Happy New Year! Sorry this is a long one!

Me and my friend (28 & 29) have known each other since we were born really, as we both lived on the same council estate and our mums were friends. I have recently welcomed my first child with my partner, and she is his godmum. We do everything together - even work at the same school (although I’m on maternity at the minute).

On Boxing Day, her family always hold a little afternoon get together. Me and my partner always go and this year I took the baby. She brought her new partner (who we had met before at her house briefly earlier on in the year) who seemed to hit it off with my partner, and they were sharing drinks etc. It gets closer to my sons bedtime, and my friend asked if her and her new partner could come over to my flat and have a few drinks once I’d done the bedtime routine and got my little boy down. The night was fine, everything seemed great, nothing amiss. They left at 9.30ish, my partner then went to bed, I did the cleaning.

My boyfriend then woke up at 3am the next morning (27th) for work. On his phone, he had notifications from his HSBC app that his card had been used in three shops around our local area at just before 11pm the previous evening, as well as a hotel booking. He had also received emails from American Express letting him know that they had stopped a £57.99 transaction from a corner shop as they suspected fraudulent activity. We looked for his wallet and it was nowhere in the house; annoyed, he’s presumed he’s dropped it on the way to and from the get together and some opportunist has picked it up and used it. He’s called his bank, reported it as fraudulent and luckily they’ve refunded the money and action fraud have opened a case. Assumed the wallet would be long gone now etc but cancelled all cards and credit cards.

Later on that day, he checks his banking apps. All clear (except HSBC) apart from his barclaycard credit card (which doesn’t show pending transactions) now showing that this card was used in more shops - although some of these shops are specifically named after the area they are in (think London express for example). Two of the places are in an area of East London, which is where my friends new partner is from. For reference, we all live in South West London, about an hours journey away from him on public transport so we suspect it’s not a coincidence.

Ive told my friend that the cards were used in East London and immediately she’s on the defensive saying “No it couldn’t be him, he’d never do that,”. Fair enough, but I’ve told her that my partner will be contacting the police through 101 as these new transactions have bumped the total amount that was spent/stolen to £386 (!!). She agrees she would do the same thing.

Today she has called me and said that she has the wallet. Her partner admitted to it but said he was drunk and can’t remember and woke up with the wallet in his room. She said that her partner knows he messed up and is really sorry. Said she could never forgive him etc etc. He came, dropped off the wallet and she told him to leave. Earlier on tonight I drove to hers and knocked on the door to collect the wallet, he was in her flat. I was shocked he was there and angrily asked him why he did it, he said he didn’t know why, it wasn’t personal, he was drunk but he’s bought the wallet back and now this should be the end of it because my boyfriend ‘has been given the money back by the bank so hasn’t lost out’. At this point now I’m fuming. How dare he? I’ve said it’s not the end of it and if he can’t tell me why he did it he can explain to the police.

On the way home I got a number of WhatsApp messages from my friend asking why we were still contacting the police, and she thinks we shouldn’t do that because he’s said he’s sorry. I’m under the impression she thought that because he’d handed the wallet back, we’d miraculously thank him and not take any further action. I asked her about what she said about not forgiving him and why he was still in the flat, she said that shes stressed because she’s in the middle, can’t pick between her partner and me, even after he stole because he knows he did wrong and can’t remember anything from the night. We got into an argument after that and she’s blocked me on WhatsApp now because I refused to promise her my partner wouldn’t call the police.

My thing is that this is theft. A criminal offence. And he has taken the wallet from the house my partner shares with me and our 5 month old baby. I don’t buy his story about being too drunk to realise as well, because he was able to make a journey on a bus and 2 tube trains back to East London, as well as inputting all his personal information on to booking.com and going into several shops. Also, if he can do this to her friends and think he can get away with it - what’s next? Stealing from her family? Her?

One of her last messages to me was that if I call the police then I am throwing away her friendship because her partner (who is already on probationary license) will most likely be arrested and charged, and then she will feel ‘too awkward’ to talk to me. According to her, I’m being unreasonable because he’s handed the stuff back, my partner has been refunded from the bank, and he’s said he’s sorry, so I should just leave it there.

Im very very stoic on this but does anyone else think that I’m being unreasonable and blowing this all out of proportion?

OP posts:
WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/01/2023 02:04

No, YANBU in the slightest. Where does the thief suppose the money comes from when the bank has to reimburse customers for the actions of shady characters like himself?

Thieves always justify it as some huge bank or insurance company pay up, so it's all fine and nothing to see here. I'm no fan of banks, but it is still 100% wrong to steal from them.

Also, he had no way of knowing that the bank would refund the stolen money. He was fully prepared to steal from your DP regardless.

The fact that he risked returning to prison for the sake of £400 just goes to show that theft is in his nature - certainly not a weird drunken one-off - and he can't even help himself. He was let out on licence to prove that he could mend his ways and he's actually removed any doubt and proved that he can't mend his ways - which means that back to prison is the only appropriate place for him now. Not quite such an attractive proposition in a partner, that.

It is kind of darkly amusing that he stole money partly to pay for a night's accommodation, which has directly led to him getting lots and lots of nights' free accommodation (albeit without a minibar and room service)!

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/01/2023 02:06

Even if she hadn't wanted to ditch you as a friend for being too honest and respectable, as long as she's staying associated with the thief, you wouldn't be well-advised to stay in contact with her anyway - as has already been said about guilt by association and you potentially being suspected of abetting the crime.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/01/2023 02:07

What does he mean by we can go that way too? Sounds a bit threatening?

Presumably pondering the direction of the arrows on his new uniform!!

Fraaahnces · 01/01/2023 02:11

He may have nicked your number from her phone without her knowledge. The implied threats are there. Definitely keep screenshots and unblock him so he can continue to shoot himself in his idiot feet.

Aldith · 01/01/2023 02:12

Absolutely report as much as for your friend and her daughter as for you and your partner. Your friend has behaved abominably but ultimately she is a victim too though she doesn’t see it now and so is her child. This man is worthless but to a fashion I know how she feels. My now ex of 18 years also stole and the first time I wanted to believe it wasn’t him but I didn’t believe it a second time. Our relationship ended when he put hands on my friend as he thought we were too close. I didn’t wait to find out when he turned on me.

My friends were still there when I realised he was an idiot and that may be what your friend needs. She may not realise straight away but hopefully eventually she does.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/01/2023 02:19

He may have nicked your number from her phone without her knowledge. The implied threats are there. Definitely keep screenshots and unblock him so he can continue to shoot himself in his idiot feet.

Yes, absolutely. He might like to portray himself as having some power over you, but he's panicking as he knows full-well that you've got him by the goolies.

Threats are all he has, when all you/your DP need to do is make one call to the police - and then those threats will only serve to keep digging himself into even more trouble than he's already got himself into.

Menomenon · 01/01/2023 02:19

He took her to the hotel

dunBle · 01/01/2023 02:23

Accidentally picking up the wrong wallet when pissed - possible.
Tapping in and out of the tube without taking your card out - can be done, but if there's more than one card in there you'd get a "card clash" message
Drunkenly stopping off at a corner shop on the way home and paying for a few bits and bobs viz contactless without taking your card out - not beyond the bounds of possibility
Stopping off at multiple shops when you're so pissed you haven't noticed that you've got the wrong wallet - yeah right, pull the other one.
Using someone else's credit card to book a hotel room - there is no way in the world you can do that by accident, no matter how drunk you are. She is letting him treat her like a mug by even considering that as a possibility, but you don't have to.

mathanxiety · 01/01/2023 02:24

So he's already on probationary license - and clearly a habitual criminal.

My guess is he and your former friend had a nice night in the hotel together. Obv cctv will reveal all.

Well done for deciding to this to the police. Don't second guess yourselves.

You can still be there for the friend if/when she comes crawling back. The pair of them must think you're a First Class Mug.

mathanxiety · 01/01/2023 02:24

*to report

ReallyTryingTo · 01/01/2023 02:25

Your friend is an absolute waffle.
100% report. He should also be paying the money back our of principle! If it was a genuine mistake he'd have offered by now.

Graphista · 01/01/2023 02:31

I agree

End the friendship she hasn't behaved as a friend

Report him he's scum and deserves to be back in prison, I'll bet this is his usual MO and along the lines of what he originally went to prison for - and I'll tell you if so then it will have been for £10,000's plus multiple times for him to serve time for it too (I have con artists in my family they rarely get custodial sentences)

When the charm doesn't work they can and do turn to violence.

Change locks, passwords, new bank cards all around inc yours - seriously!

Him going back to prison (frankly an easy win for police there bumps up stats with v little effort) may be exactly what's needed to bring friend to her senses!

GladysGeorgina · 01/01/2023 02:32

School DSL here. Your friend’s decision to be in a relationship with someone she knows to be a criminal is a potential issue for her at school and your DSL would need to seek advice from the LADO about her behaviour if it came to light. You need to make sure you are doing everything by the book to protect your reputation at school.

Moser85 · 01/01/2023 02:33

Not unreasonable at all to report it to the police, and I'm sure your partner is obliged to fully cooperate with the fraud investigation.

I do think you were a bit harsh on her for having him in the house tonight though, I get that she said she wouldn't forgive him etc. but when things happen that cause couples to break up there's normally attempts to beg for another chance and people often want answers to questions and so on and then emotional conversations where the other person promises the world, a break up is rarely "Get out of my house, I never want to see you again".

TheWordHu88yIsMyPetHate · 01/01/2023 02:34

Absolutely contact the police. Disgusting human.
Your friend should be supporting you and offering to corroborate your side of events.

Inserthiliarioususernamehere · 01/01/2023 02:51

Oh how horrible for you and your partner to go through OP 😞. It’s sad that you’ll lose the friendship, but you’re doing the right thing by reporting it all to the police.
As others have said, I find the holiday booking suspicious…do you really believe she didn’t know/stay at the hotel with him? If she was prepared to forgive him so easily, I wonder what else she turned a blind eye to.

ReallyTryingTo · 01/01/2023 02:55

Just read your other posts OP.
The guy is nothing but a scummy thief. He cannot be trusted. If she wants to learn her lessons in a harder way when he's robbing her, let them crack on.
But for me, he's just lying through and through and now he's getting narky because he will likely be recalled for breaking license conditions. Regardless of his previous crime - he's broken the law again.
He had the brain to think about nicking wallet, to go through the coat, to take the wallet and then to use your partners money multiple times. His eyes didn't stop working did they and he's trying to tell you he didn't notice after purchase.
He's stupid!! He didn't notice it was a different card at any point! Bull. If it was genuine and a quick tap and realises immediately, contacts you and be like "somehow this has happened, I'm so sorry and I've paid no attention and tapped the card, can we sort out for me to give you that money" you could kind of maybe understand it was genuine and agree for money to be returned and give benefit of the doubt but he has had you on and on!! At no point has he tried to genuinely own up and be sorry without you pushing him.
A lot of banking apps now send notification when you spend money - did he not wonder where his notifications were. Or where suddenly this extra wallet had come from assuming he'd normally be getting his own out for the bus of whatever.
This person is a scumbag. You let him in your home, spent time with him, your partners got up at silly o'clock for work and this guys taken liberties out of someone else's hard work. If your child had birthday/xmas money lying around he probably would have taken that too. He's a terrible person. Thank god it was only money he took and not a sentimental piece of jewellery or something!

Generalstuff42023 · 01/01/2023 02:55

Has your friend always been trust worthy till now? I think in your op you said her relationship was quite new? I'm just wondering if she's already being sucked in by him.and his bad ways. How much further will it go.

LoisLane66 · 01/01/2023 02:59

Ten years ago I gave card details to a car showroom to hold a car until I could get there two days later and finalise sale.
Meanwhile 500 was taken out of my Halifax account. I reported it to Halifax who gave me their fraud number...long story short...Action Fraud notified, police would not get involved as bank reimbursed me.
Things might be different now regarding the way in which police view fraud but in 2011 if the bank reimbursed you for your loss, as mine did, then police won't pursue a case against the person who used the card fraudulently.
Incidentally, the car showroom where the guy worked, knew he had a criminal record when they employed him.
Google is your friend.

Fleurdaisy · 01/01/2023 03:02

GCAcademic · 01/01/2023 00:03

As the thief is someone known to you and your boyfriend, your boyfriend needs to protect himself by reporting this to the police, otherwise he may find himself in a situation where it’s deemed he’s defrauded his bank(s).

This. Notify the police asap. And the banks.
As you say, he was able to get public transport, visit a few shops and input details online. Lowlife. Your friend is silly to stick with him, he’s already got a record.

kateandme · 01/01/2023 03:25

No no.SHE IS THROWING AWAY THE FRIENDSHIP.not you.none of this or what happens next is on you.plese please do not hesitate.this isn't seeing a fiver being pissed and needing a cab fare home.i don't no any instance of being drunk and it making a person stealing a wallet,making journey with said others cards.making hotel bookings and not no it.bullshit.hes not made a mistake.
its bloody sinister.
And guaranteed he only ceased because you trapped him into it by investigating further.

Emschels · 01/01/2023 03:54

Hi all,

Thanks for the responses! Sorry to hear that a few of you have been in the same position, it’s so shit.

My partner woke up during my feeding of the baby 20 mins ago, and he has just submitted an online report to 101 to update the information on his CAD number to say the wallet has been returned, it was my friends partner, and we would like this to be further investigated.

He will ring the banks tomorrow and give them the updated CAD number/info given to 101. I have briefly unblocked my friend to give her a heads up as there was a part on the form that said ‘how are you connected to this suspect’ and he’s put that it’s his partners friends partner (Jesus that’s a mouthful!) and that we have told 101 that we have screen shotted messages from her in which she confirms to me that he has admitted taking the wallet etc as evidence. I’m not expecting a nice reply, and maybe I am being too nice considering the circumstances to let her know that it’s actually been reported, but hopefully this puts a stop to the gaslighting/blackmail messages from him too.

Thanks again everyone, you’ve been a huge support!

OP posts:
Fraaahnces · 01/01/2023 04:01

Well done… you know you’re doing the right thing. No question. She probably also knows this deep down. I wonder if he’s threatening her too.

MrNook · 01/01/2023 04:14

Well done OP. What a scum bag be is

MyLoveIsYourLove0xO · 01/01/2023 04:17

Fraaahnces · 01/01/2023 04:01

Well done… you know you’re doing the right thing. No question. She probably also knows this deep down. I wonder if he’s threatening her too.

Yes it sounds like she's in a toxic relationship.

Don't tell them your next steps or any updates!
They will have time to get their stories together now.

Welldone for reporting it x