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To call the police and ruin a friendship?

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Emschels · 31/12/2022 23:58

Hi all,

Happy New Year! Sorry this is a long one!

Me and my friend (28 & 29) have known each other since we were born really, as we both lived on the same council estate and our mums were friends. I have recently welcomed my first child with my partner, and she is his godmum. We do everything together - even work at the same school (although I’m on maternity at the minute).

On Boxing Day, her family always hold a little afternoon get together. Me and my partner always go and this year I took the baby. She brought her new partner (who we had met before at her house briefly earlier on in the year) who seemed to hit it off with my partner, and they were sharing drinks etc. It gets closer to my sons bedtime, and my friend asked if her and her new partner could come over to my flat and have a few drinks once I’d done the bedtime routine and got my little boy down. The night was fine, everything seemed great, nothing amiss. They left at 9.30ish, my partner then went to bed, I did the cleaning.

My boyfriend then woke up at 3am the next morning (27th) for work. On his phone, he had notifications from his HSBC app that his card had been used in three shops around our local area at just before 11pm the previous evening, as well as a hotel booking. He had also received emails from American Express letting him know that they had stopped a £57.99 transaction from a corner shop as they suspected fraudulent activity. We looked for his wallet and it was nowhere in the house; annoyed, he’s presumed he’s dropped it on the way to and from the get together and some opportunist has picked it up and used it. He’s called his bank, reported it as fraudulent and luckily they’ve refunded the money and action fraud have opened a case. Assumed the wallet would be long gone now etc but cancelled all cards and credit cards.

Later on that day, he checks his banking apps. All clear (except HSBC) apart from his barclaycard credit card (which doesn’t show pending transactions) now showing that this card was used in more shops - although some of these shops are specifically named after the area they are in (think London express for example). Two of the places are in an area of East London, which is where my friends new partner is from. For reference, we all live in South West London, about an hours journey away from him on public transport so we suspect it’s not a coincidence.

Ive told my friend that the cards were used in East London and immediately she’s on the defensive saying “No it couldn’t be him, he’d never do that,”. Fair enough, but I’ve told her that my partner will be contacting the police through 101 as these new transactions have bumped the total amount that was spent/stolen to £386 (!!). She agrees she would do the same thing.

Today she has called me and said that she has the wallet. Her partner admitted to it but said he was drunk and can’t remember and woke up with the wallet in his room. She said that her partner knows he messed up and is really sorry. Said she could never forgive him etc etc. He came, dropped off the wallet and she told him to leave. Earlier on tonight I drove to hers and knocked on the door to collect the wallet, he was in her flat. I was shocked he was there and angrily asked him why he did it, he said he didn’t know why, it wasn’t personal, he was drunk but he’s bought the wallet back and now this should be the end of it because my boyfriend ‘has been given the money back by the bank so hasn’t lost out’. At this point now I’m fuming. How dare he? I’ve said it’s not the end of it and if he can’t tell me why he did it he can explain to the police.

On the way home I got a number of WhatsApp messages from my friend asking why we were still contacting the police, and she thinks we shouldn’t do that because he’s said he’s sorry. I’m under the impression she thought that because he’d handed the wallet back, we’d miraculously thank him and not take any further action. I asked her about what she said about not forgiving him and why he was still in the flat, she said that shes stressed because she’s in the middle, can’t pick between her partner and me, even after he stole because he knows he did wrong and can’t remember anything from the night. We got into an argument after that and she’s blocked me on WhatsApp now because I refused to promise her my partner wouldn’t call the police.

My thing is that this is theft. A criminal offence. And he has taken the wallet from the house my partner shares with me and our 5 month old baby. I don’t buy his story about being too drunk to realise as well, because he was able to make a journey on a bus and 2 tube trains back to East London, as well as inputting all his personal information on to booking.com and going into several shops. Also, if he can do this to her friends and think he can get away with it - what’s next? Stealing from her family? Her?

One of her last messages to me was that if I call the police then I am throwing away her friendship because her partner (who is already on probationary license) will most likely be arrested and charged, and then she will feel ‘too awkward’ to talk to me. According to her, I’m being unreasonable because he’s handed the stuff back, my partner has been refunded from the bank, and he’s said he’s sorry, so I should just leave it there.

Im very very stoic on this but does anyone else think that I’m being unreasonable and blowing this all out of proportion?

OP posts:
Allsnotwell · 01/01/2023 10:17

Just listen to yourself, you are behaving like he has robbed 3 banks and killed a few people during the process. That is the kind of crime that someone should go to prison for.

Not all crimes are punished via prison - that’s for the courts to decide.

Theft is theft - at least with a criminal record he won’t be given a position on trust in the future.

If you don’t think this is criminal perhaps you could hand out your bank cards to strangers and let them spend your money?
And then you can waste your time canceling cards, calling the police, giving evidence and all that entails?

Rightsraptor · 01/01/2023 10:19

So someone here thinks theft is a civil matter. Wow. It is not, it's a criminal matter.

I once had some things removed from my property that belonged to someone else, and the people who took them were employees of that someone else. Who then alleged I'd been complicit in the theft. I was questioned by the police, who fortunately readily accepted that I wasn't involved. But it wasn't nice at all.

OP, I suspect your friend may come running back to you once this man is going through the court/back in prison. It is to you what you do, of course, but she has shown you her true colours.

SnowlayRoundabout · 01/01/2023 10:21

I know it's going against the grain but I wouldn't call the police. The man owned up and apologised. He needn't have done that. He probably could've got away with it. I've worked with many offenders over the years and someone admitting the crime before it's even got to police stage is v rare and I think he did the right thing to admit it. It took a lot of guts to own up and return the wallet. I also would value my friendship and knowing he'd admitted and said sorry, I would respect that and not take it further.

Don't you think it would have demonstrated more courage if he had actually returned the money, @TodayIsFridayHooray? And indeed if he had owned up immediately, not several days later when he realised OP and her partner were not going to let it drop and indeed that it would be childishly easy to prove he was the thief?

LakieLady · 01/01/2023 10:21

I don’t believe he “deserves prison” prison should be a place where they keep serious criminals, not petty thieves.

As he's out on licence, he's presumably committed a more serious crime and hasn't yet served his full sentence. Release on licence is conditional on good behaviour, he hasn't managed to comply with that condition, so he deserves to lose his early release privilege. He clearly hasn't learned how to stay out of trouble.

If the police follow this up, and if his licence is revoked, he'll be back inside because of the previous, more serious offence, not this one.

And I rather doubt if the banks/CC companies will bother pursuing this anyway, so he may well get away with this more recent offence.

SnowlayRoundabout · 01/01/2023 10:23

LakieLady · 01/01/2023 10:21

I don’t believe he “deserves prison” prison should be a place where they keep serious criminals, not petty thieves.

As he's out on licence, he's presumably committed a more serious crime and hasn't yet served his full sentence. Release on licence is conditional on good behaviour, he hasn't managed to comply with that condition, so he deserves to lose his early release privilege. He clearly hasn't learned how to stay out of trouble.

If the police follow this up, and if his licence is revoked, he'll be back inside because of the previous, more serious offence, not this one.

And I rather doubt if the banks/CC companies will bother pursuing this anyway, so he may well get away with this more recent offence.

If he's back in prison, that's a desirable outcome regardless of the offence that actually puts him back inside.

simplefree · 01/01/2023 10:28

I would unblock them and let them incriminate thenselves even more

He knows where you live and that is a big worry - can you move at all? Would you feel safe there after all this?

You mentioned council upthread, are you a council tenant? Would you be up for a home exchange? SW London is very desirable - I am in SW London too and looking to exchange and my location is very popular at the moment due to amazing schools (1 minute walk from an outstading primary) - all the ammenities and parks etc -

pm me if you want to talk about it / tips with exchanging etc

pictoosh · 01/01/2023 10:36

There's no dilemma here btw. She has prioritised some random, opportunistic, sticky-fingered scumbag over her lifelong friend. You owe her no loyalty here. It's a shame that she has got herself caught up with a lying, manipulative, entitled piece of shit...who is undoubtedly pulling her strings at the moment. However, the silly bloody woman has chosen to pedal his 'can't remember' bullshit out as though it has a grain of creedence. In a sense, she is doing this to herself. It is not you who has sullied the friendship.

icelollycraving · 01/01/2023 10:37

This kind of thread is right up the Daily Mail’s street. I’d remove your WhatsApp screenshots.
I wouldn’t engage with them further. Will the police view cctv etc? I would have that unlikely if overstretched.
You’ve done the right thing imho.

Jedsnewstar · 01/01/2023 10:40

my partner has been refunded from the bank

Has her boyfriend refunded the bank then?

LakieLady · 01/01/2023 10:40

Teateaandmoretea · 01/01/2023 10:11

This is theft by a man already on probation. It is certainly a criminal matter. If you don't understand that much your opinion isn't really worth giving, is it?

I think she is probably misunderstanding the difference between summary and indictable criminal offences.

And I don't think that difference applies to theft anyway, assuming it's still "triable either way".

pictoosh · 01/01/2023 10:43

He sat in your home on Boxing Day, palling up to your husband, with your kid in the next room, drinking and socialising and pretending to be your friend.
He helped himself to your husband's wallet while he was there and wasted no time in hitting the shops and getting himself a hotel room. He checked out the next day, knowingly took your husband's wallet and went shopping in his own neighbourhood. And now he's telling you 'lol'.
Fuck him and by proxy, fuck her too. Her choice.

fUNNYfACE36 · 01/01/2023 10:43

I don't understand 1 How after the first tranche of transactions which the bank refunded,the cards weren't all immediately cancelled, 2 do booking.com not check that the card used is registered to the billing address

MeridianB · 01/01/2023 10:43

Wow. He’s a disgusting thief and a liar. And then he tries to intimidate you out of reporting him.

Your friend has enabled him and continues to do so. A good friend would kick him out and feel the same way you do. They wouldn’t cosy up with him at home, then give him your number so he can send horrible texts! You owe her nothing now.

He is pretty much a stranger, and deserves everything he gets.

Really well done for reporting. Please block both of them and know you did the right thing.

SnowlayRoundabout · 01/01/2023 10:46

At some point, OP, it may be worth letting your friend know you're there for her if she needs help. It's a matter of time before this man ends up back in prison, as he's not only a criminal but an incompetent one, and it's almost certainly a matter of time before he dumps her anyway.

SnowlayRoundabout · 01/01/2023 10:48

fUNNYfACE36 · 01/01/2023 10:43

I don't understand 1 How after the first tranche of transactions which the bank refunded,the cards weren't all immediately cancelled, 2 do booking.com not check that the card used is registered to the billing address

It sounds like all the transactions happened within a few hours of the wallet being stolen?

MichelleScarn · 01/01/2023 10:55

fUNNYfACE36 · 01/01/2023 10:43

I don't understand 1 How after the first tranche of transactions which the bank refunded,the cards weren't all immediately cancelled, 2 do booking.com not check that the card used is registered to the billing address

It would be though wouldn't it as its ops dps card. And given thiefboy has just been at the address he clearly knew it to input it!

toocold54 · 01/01/2023 10:58

can’t pick between her partner and me

Wow sounds like you’re better off without this ‘friend’.

How long have they even been together?

I can’t believe she’s putting her vagina over a friendship she’s had for years for a scumbag who steals off her best mate who is generous enough to have them around.

He’s a dick but I’d be so angry at her too.

Do not engage with him any more as he’s trying to make you feel guilty.

He’s an absolute joke.

Comtesse · 01/01/2023 11:00

Your friend is sadly being a complete fool
about this. Hope she gets it together soon and dumps this lowlife.

toocold54 · 01/01/2023 11:00

At some point, OP, it may be worth letting your friend know you're there for her if she needs help. It's a matter of time before this man ends up back in prison, as he's not only a criminal but an incompetent one, and it's almost certainly a matter of time before he dumps her anyway.

Absolutely not!

The friend doesn’t get to choose to keep the boyfriend and then when he dumps her or goes prison, she goes running back to OP.

OP isn’t there for the friend to have as a backup option.

pictoosh · 01/01/2023 11:01

...and and AND

He is trying to emotionally blackmail you into keeping quiet, using the friendship as a levelling tool. All the shit he's saying to you, he'll be saying to her as well. "All of a sudden friendship means nothing.", said the man who used friendship as a means to steal from you.
He's a slimy bastard isn't he?

TangoAcid · 01/01/2023 11:02

@Iceballoon I consider any one who uses the acronym 'LOL' is a bit thick yes. Unless you're under 15 then I'll let you off with just being immature. Same for anyone who doesn't consider theft and someone with a previous record a criminal.

SnowlayRoundabout · 01/01/2023 11:02

toocold54 · 01/01/2023 11:00

At some point, OP, it may be worth letting your friend know you're there for her if she needs help. It's a matter of time before this man ends up back in prison, as he's not only a criminal but an incompetent one, and it's almost certainly a matter of time before he dumps her anyway.

Absolutely not!

The friend doesn’t get to choose to keep the boyfriend and then when he dumps her or goes prison, she goes running back to OP.

OP isn’t there for the friend to have as a backup option.

The thing is, though, that within the next year OP will be back working with friend unless one or both changes their job, so will have to deal with each other. If OP has let friend know the olive branch is there it may smooth that process.

kingtamponthefurred · 01/01/2023 11:07

I haven't read the full thread, but suggest you report the matter to the police, send them the screen shots and accept that the friendship is unlikely to survive.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/01/2023 11:08

... I wouldn't call the police. The man owned up and apologised. He needn't have done that

IME of those who've "worked with many offenders" it's no surprise to read claptrap like this - indeed they may well be considered part of the problem - but you might want to at least acquaint yourself with the facts

OP said quite clearly that they diiscovered the guy had stolen from them, so failing to deny this hardly amounts to "owning up" on his part - especially when the so-called apology was anything but

FlamingoQueen · 01/01/2023 11:15

Well done for reporting. I don’t think her relationship would have ended well anyway by the sounds of it.