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To call the police and ruin a friendship?

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Emschels · 31/12/2022 23:58

Hi all,

Happy New Year! Sorry this is a long one!

Me and my friend (28 & 29) have known each other since we were born really, as we both lived on the same council estate and our mums were friends. I have recently welcomed my first child with my partner, and she is his godmum. We do everything together - even work at the same school (although I’m on maternity at the minute).

On Boxing Day, her family always hold a little afternoon get together. Me and my partner always go and this year I took the baby. She brought her new partner (who we had met before at her house briefly earlier on in the year) who seemed to hit it off with my partner, and they were sharing drinks etc. It gets closer to my sons bedtime, and my friend asked if her and her new partner could come over to my flat and have a few drinks once I’d done the bedtime routine and got my little boy down. The night was fine, everything seemed great, nothing amiss. They left at 9.30ish, my partner then went to bed, I did the cleaning.

My boyfriend then woke up at 3am the next morning (27th) for work. On his phone, he had notifications from his HSBC app that his card had been used in three shops around our local area at just before 11pm the previous evening, as well as a hotel booking. He had also received emails from American Express letting him know that they had stopped a £57.99 transaction from a corner shop as they suspected fraudulent activity. We looked for his wallet and it was nowhere in the house; annoyed, he’s presumed he’s dropped it on the way to and from the get together and some opportunist has picked it up and used it. He’s called his bank, reported it as fraudulent and luckily they’ve refunded the money and action fraud have opened a case. Assumed the wallet would be long gone now etc but cancelled all cards and credit cards.

Later on that day, he checks his banking apps. All clear (except HSBC) apart from his barclaycard credit card (which doesn’t show pending transactions) now showing that this card was used in more shops - although some of these shops are specifically named after the area they are in (think London express for example). Two of the places are in an area of East London, which is where my friends new partner is from. For reference, we all live in South West London, about an hours journey away from him on public transport so we suspect it’s not a coincidence.

Ive told my friend that the cards were used in East London and immediately she’s on the defensive saying “No it couldn’t be him, he’d never do that,”. Fair enough, but I’ve told her that my partner will be contacting the police through 101 as these new transactions have bumped the total amount that was spent/stolen to £386 (!!). She agrees she would do the same thing.

Today she has called me and said that she has the wallet. Her partner admitted to it but said he was drunk and can’t remember and woke up with the wallet in his room. She said that her partner knows he messed up and is really sorry. Said she could never forgive him etc etc. He came, dropped off the wallet and she told him to leave. Earlier on tonight I drove to hers and knocked on the door to collect the wallet, he was in her flat. I was shocked he was there and angrily asked him why he did it, he said he didn’t know why, it wasn’t personal, he was drunk but he’s bought the wallet back and now this should be the end of it because my boyfriend ‘has been given the money back by the bank so hasn’t lost out’. At this point now I’m fuming. How dare he? I’ve said it’s not the end of it and if he can’t tell me why he did it he can explain to the police.

On the way home I got a number of WhatsApp messages from my friend asking why we were still contacting the police, and she thinks we shouldn’t do that because he’s said he’s sorry. I’m under the impression she thought that because he’d handed the wallet back, we’d miraculously thank him and not take any further action. I asked her about what she said about not forgiving him and why he was still in the flat, she said that shes stressed because she’s in the middle, can’t pick between her partner and me, even after he stole because he knows he did wrong and can’t remember anything from the night. We got into an argument after that and she’s blocked me on WhatsApp now because I refused to promise her my partner wouldn’t call the police.

My thing is that this is theft. A criminal offence. And he has taken the wallet from the house my partner shares with me and our 5 month old baby. I don’t buy his story about being too drunk to realise as well, because he was able to make a journey on a bus and 2 tube trains back to East London, as well as inputting all his personal information on to booking.com and going into several shops. Also, if he can do this to her friends and think he can get away with it - what’s next? Stealing from her family? Her?

One of her last messages to me was that if I call the police then I am throwing away her friendship because her partner (who is already on probationary license) will most likely be arrested and charged, and then she will feel ‘too awkward’ to talk to me. According to her, I’m being unreasonable because he’s handed the stuff back, my partner has been refunded from the bank, and he’s said he’s sorry, so I should just leave it there.

Im very very stoic on this but does anyone else think that I’m being unreasonable and blowing this all out of proportion?

OP posts:
ShakespearesBlister · 01/01/2023 09:38

Well do e you are doing the right thing. The friendship ended the moment when knew he stole from you and she chose him. That tells you all you need to know about how little the friendship means to her. I'd be er speak to her ever again and also go to the police. For all you know he could be on licence for stealing from the vulnerable or something worse and you need to protect other potential victims.

ShakespearesBlister · 01/01/2023 09:39

Never speak to her again

Iceballoon · 01/01/2023 09:41

Jumbojade · 01/01/2023 09:24

@Iceballoon
“LOL

I have never stolen anything in my life, I have no need to steal. I actually like helping people and giving things away.

Calling the police on a long term friends partner is something I could never do, I have heart.

OP has also said that he is on “licence” so could get sent back to prison, but you think that’s good huh? sending someone back to prison over theft, when there are real criminals out there committing the most horrific crimes.

You sound like one of those people that would could the benefits office on their own friend.”

So let’s just get things straight…..
1 - you don’t think theft is a real crime?
2 - you don’t think thieves should be in prison?
3 - you would happily let someone steal from you and wouldn’t think it is a big deal?
4 - you would risk getting a criminal record yourself to protect a scumbag like this?
5 - you think this is funny (lol)???
6 - you would let a friend’s partner get away with any crime (Calling the police on a long term friends partner is something I could never do, I have heart)???
7 - you think that thieves should be allowed to keep anything they steal?

Wow, you really are a piece of work, aren’t you? Maybe this country is in the state it is, because of friends people like you?

You sound like one of those people who would just call a free for all, and let criminals do whatever they like, without risk of being held responsible for their crimes!

By the way (in case you haven’t guessed) I do think it is a good thing to send a criminal back to prison, when they carry out another crime!

You do realise that this is actually a civil matter?

Just listen to yourself, you are behaving like he has robbed 3 banks and killed a few people during the process. That is the kind of crime that someone should go to prison for.

And no, you’re really a piece of work, you think it’s acceptable to come and insult people online.

Hellybelly84 · 01/01/2023 09:44

Call the police, hes probably done this plenty of times before and will do it again. Normal drunk behaviour is perhaps making a fool of yourself in front of your friends- thats forgiveable. Stealing someone’s wallet and cards is unforgivable. Please call and do your friend a favour getting this man away from her.

boboshmobo · 01/01/2023 09:44

He is definitely a bad egg, no normal person works like that ! He has most definitely done similar before and was ready with excuse .. shame on her !

704703hey · 01/01/2023 09:45

If it was a good friend and totally out of character I would be hesitant about calling the police but get them to pay back.

As it is you hardly know him and his attitude that it's alright as the bank paid for his theft spree is abhorrent. If you do call the police you can say the whole story, that he was drunk and apologetic and returned the wallet.

You wouldn't want to be anywhere near him anymore though, would you 😐

FrangipaniBlue · 01/01/2023 09:49

I've been in a similar situation in the past.

My best friends husband committed fraud against a large number of people, some of whom were our friends and some were my family members.

At one point he tried to implicate me, so when I was asked to give a witness statement to the police there was no way I could've just said "I'm not giving a statement, I don't want to be involved"!

She stopped speaking to me and believed his lies. She lied for him to the police, enabled him to skip bail and leave the country and then followed him a few weeks later.

I miss my friend but making the statement to the police was the right thing to do. She made her choices and I made mine.

DuncanBiscuits · 01/01/2023 09:49

i hope they lock him up, the thieving twat. And you can bet his light fingers are the tip of the iceberg.

Blowthemandown · 01/01/2023 09:51

@Emschels completely agree OP. And the ‘you got your money back’ doesn’t make it better. Her BF doesn’t give two hoots about her either. I would say to your friend that she might be doing him a favour and he might straighten himself out. But otherwise she’s going to be dragged down with him if she can’t keep her boundaries and can stand by and watch him do this to others. You are not throwing away her friendship, she's obviously torn. I would want to try to be there for her because she may come to her senses but definitely take a step back and stay away if she doesn’t work it out. I’m so sorry you and your BF had to deal with this.

Blowthemandown · 01/01/2023 09:52

@Emschels completely agree OP. And the ‘you got your money back’ doesn’t make it better. Her BF doesn’t give two hoots about her either. I would say to your friend that she might be doing him a favour and he might straighten himself out. But otherwise she’s going to be dragged down with him if she can’t keep her boundaries and can stand by and watch him do this to others. You are not throwing away her friendship, she's obviously torn. I would want to try to be there for her because she may come to her senses but definitely take a step back and stay away if she doesn’t work it out. I’m so sorry you and your BF had to deal with this.

NyanBinaryJohn · 01/01/2023 09:56

He will have done this to isolate her from her friends, so that he can fully control her.

LoveHeartsFan · 01/01/2023 09:57

You could only report, and I’m glad you did. Did she choose him over you because not only is he a thief and lowlife, she’s already in a coercive and abusive relationship with him?

He’ll end up isolating her from all her friends and family by thieving and she’ll pick him every time, so in and off itself that’s abusive and might well be a deliberate action to isolate her. And he’s dragging her down with him.

It’s not that much of a leap from the former to the latter, PP have already mentioned being in an abusive relationship with men like him.

Teateaandmoretea · 01/01/2023 09:58

You do realise that this is actually a civil matter?

No it isn’t. He stole the bank card and then used it fraudulently.

OP the friendship is over anyway, you can’t trust this person again. So stop worrying about that and do what feels right to you.

Crumpleton · 01/01/2023 10:00

Haven't read all the posts but I'd report purely because I can't tolerate it when people blame others for their own actions.
She's blaming you if your friendship ends when she's quite happy staying with the thief that stole from your partner.
Really does show where her true colours lie.

SaintLoy · 01/01/2023 10:00

MithrilCostsMore · 01/01/2023 06:37

On e the bank has returned the money to your account, they become the complainant so it's out of your hands. You no longer choose to press charges, the bank does.

Outside TV dramas scripted for the American market, nobody in the UK can 'press charges'. Charging decisions are made on the advice of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) after reviewing submissions made by the police.

Southwig22 · 01/01/2023 10:00

No doubt you should report.

But, if you really need a reason for your friend, just say the bank only refund if you follow through with the police report (which I think is true!).

SnowlayRoundabout · 01/01/2023 10:03

Iceballoon · 01/01/2023 09:41

You do realise that this is actually a civil matter?

Just listen to yourself, you are behaving like he has robbed 3 banks and killed a few people during the process. That is the kind of crime that someone should go to prison for.

And no, you’re really a piece of work, you think it’s acceptable to come and insult people online.

The definition of theft is "dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it". This man undoubtedly acted dishonestly in taking the wallet and using the cards to buy things for himself, he undoubtedly intended to permanently deprive OP's partner of the money as he has taken no steps to pay it back. Indeed, it's pretty clear he would have kept quiet if his girlfriend hadn't made an issue of it.

This is theft by a man already on probation. It is certainly a criminal matter. If you don't understand that much your opinion isn't really worth giving, is it?

MajorCarolDanvers · 01/01/2023 10:04

You will be doing your friend a favour by reporting this as she can't currently see what she's got herself involved with.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 01/01/2023 10:04

The responses and negating what he has done make me think she was in on it- maybe not at the beginning, but in enjoying what he spent the money on. Did they ever tell you what it was? Because it sure as heck wasnt broccoli and milk. For whatever reason she has let go of all of her morals to be with this guy. I would not be sticking around for her - she has shown some pretty ugly aspects of herself in this situation.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/01/2023 10:08

... another message I got from the partner saying ‘Don’t bring the police to …. door, she lives her with (her daughters name)

Pity he didn't consider that about his own involvement with her isn't it? Hmm

Since he's already out on licence, let's hope - though I wouldn't want to count on it - that he has the book thrown at him, and your stupid "friend" can develop a bit of sense

SnowlayRoundabout · 01/01/2023 10:10

Twentypast · 01/01/2023 07:43

Really? The bank has already refunded the money - he doesn't need it twice.

And nobody likes a grass is a ridiculous thing to say. If you don't want to be grassed up, don't commit crimes. Especially so close to home.

I assume the point is that if OP's partner is refunded, he can refund the bank.

But you are right about the ridiculousness of "No-one likes a grass." I love people who help to keep criminals out of circulation and prevent further crimes being committed.

Teateaandmoretea · 01/01/2023 10:11

This is theft by a man already on probation. It is certainly a criminal matter. If you don't understand that much your opinion isn't really worth giving, is it?

I think she is probably misunderstanding the difference between summary and indictable criminal offences.

pictoosh · 01/01/2023 10:11

The friendship was done for anyway. x

EddietheEagle · 01/01/2023 10:14

How is it a civil matter?? please explain that to me someone. I thought theft was a criminal matter

Teateaandmoretea · 01/01/2023 10:16

@EddietheEagle it isn’t civil.