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To call the police and ruin a friendship?

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Emschels · 31/12/2022 23:58

Hi all,

Happy New Year! Sorry this is a long one!

Me and my friend (28 & 29) have known each other since we were born really, as we both lived on the same council estate and our mums were friends. I have recently welcomed my first child with my partner, and she is his godmum. We do everything together - even work at the same school (although I’m on maternity at the minute).

On Boxing Day, her family always hold a little afternoon get together. Me and my partner always go and this year I took the baby. She brought her new partner (who we had met before at her house briefly earlier on in the year) who seemed to hit it off with my partner, and they were sharing drinks etc. It gets closer to my sons bedtime, and my friend asked if her and her new partner could come over to my flat and have a few drinks once I’d done the bedtime routine and got my little boy down. The night was fine, everything seemed great, nothing amiss. They left at 9.30ish, my partner then went to bed, I did the cleaning.

My boyfriend then woke up at 3am the next morning (27th) for work. On his phone, he had notifications from his HSBC app that his card had been used in three shops around our local area at just before 11pm the previous evening, as well as a hotel booking. He had also received emails from American Express letting him know that they had stopped a £57.99 transaction from a corner shop as they suspected fraudulent activity. We looked for his wallet and it was nowhere in the house; annoyed, he’s presumed he’s dropped it on the way to and from the get together and some opportunist has picked it up and used it. He’s called his bank, reported it as fraudulent and luckily they’ve refunded the money and action fraud have opened a case. Assumed the wallet would be long gone now etc but cancelled all cards and credit cards.

Later on that day, he checks his banking apps. All clear (except HSBC) apart from his barclaycard credit card (which doesn’t show pending transactions) now showing that this card was used in more shops - although some of these shops are specifically named after the area they are in (think London express for example). Two of the places are in an area of East London, which is where my friends new partner is from. For reference, we all live in South West London, about an hours journey away from him on public transport so we suspect it’s not a coincidence.

Ive told my friend that the cards were used in East London and immediately she’s on the defensive saying “No it couldn’t be him, he’d never do that,”. Fair enough, but I’ve told her that my partner will be contacting the police through 101 as these new transactions have bumped the total amount that was spent/stolen to £386 (!!). She agrees she would do the same thing.

Today she has called me and said that she has the wallet. Her partner admitted to it but said he was drunk and can’t remember and woke up with the wallet in his room. She said that her partner knows he messed up and is really sorry. Said she could never forgive him etc etc. He came, dropped off the wallet and she told him to leave. Earlier on tonight I drove to hers and knocked on the door to collect the wallet, he was in her flat. I was shocked he was there and angrily asked him why he did it, he said he didn’t know why, it wasn’t personal, he was drunk but he’s bought the wallet back and now this should be the end of it because my boyfriend ‘has been given the money back by the bank so hasn’t lost out’. At this point now I’m fuming. How dare he? I’ve said it’s not the end of it and if he can’t tell me why he did it he can explain to the police.

On the way home I got a number of WhatsApp messages from my friend asking why we were still contacting the police, and she thinks we shouldn’t do that because he’s said he’s sorry. I’m under the impression she thought that because he’d handed the wallet back, we’d miraculously thank him and not take any further action. I asked her about what she said about not forgiving him and why he was still in the flat, she said that shes stressed because she’s in the middle, can’t pick between her partner and me, even after he stole because he knows he did wrong and can’t remember anything from the night. We got into an argument after that and she’s blocked me on WhatsApp now because I refused to promise her my partner wouldn’t call the police.

My thing is that this is theft. A criminal offence. And he has taken the wallet from the house my partner shares with me and our 5 month old baby. I don’t buy his story about being too drunk to realise as well, because he was able to make a journey on a bus and 2 tube trains back to East London, as well as inputting all his personal information on to booking.com and going into several shops. Also, if he can do this to her friends and think he can get away with it - what’s next? Stealing from her family? Her?

One of her last messages to me was that if I call the police then I am throwing away her friendship because her partner (who is already on probationary license) will most likely be arrested and charged, and then she will feel ‘too awkward’ to talk to me. According to her, I’m being unreasonable because he’s handed the stuff back, my partner has been refunded from the bank, and he’s said he’s sorry, so I should just leave it there.

Im very very stoic on this but does anyone else think that I’m being unreasonable and blowing this all out of proportion?

OP posts:
Jimboscott0115 · 01/01/2023 09:04

You've done the right thing OP and absolutely you're not in the wrong here. There's two things though, the first is that I would be hugely shocked if your friend wasn't on this spending spree too, in fact I'm convinced of it and secondly - you'd have lost your friendship anyway because you'd have never allowed him near you or your property again which would have resulted in the same outcome. He'd have only done it again and maybe target other friends/relatives of yours too which would have caused no end of issues for you.

Therefore reporting and getting your stance clear immediately after the theft was realistically the only stance you could take. I'm glad the banks refunded you.

BeardyButton · 01/01/2023 09:07

Yes to all other PPs. You HAVE to report this. It could be viewed that you were in cahoots otherwise.

Also… if your friend works in a school there may be safeguarding concerns if her bf is involved in breaking the law like this.

SnowlayRoundabout · 01/01/2023 09:08

I also mentioned the hotel to her, she said ‘he slept by himself, he lost his keys’. Lost his keys but stole a wallet? Clever guy.

Funny how he can remember nothing about that night but he can remember that.

Damnloginpopup · 01/01/2023 09:09

What else is missing?

TodayIsFridayHooray · 01/01/2023 09:14

I know it's going against the grain but I wouldn't call the police. The man owned up and apologised. He needn't have done that. He probably could've got away with it. I've worked with many offenders over the years and someone admitting the crime before it's even got to police stage is v rare and I think he did the right thing to admit it. It took a lot of guts to own up and return the wallet. I also would value my friendship and knowing he'd admitted and said sorry, I would respect that and not take it further.

However, the theft is obviously a big red flag. I would b very worried for my friend. I'd also be concerned about the man and what his past is and whether he can keep on the straight and narrow. I don't know your friend or this man and so I don't know whether their relationship can work and what he is like and if he's genuinely trying to live a good life or not, or what other kind of messes he's got himself into. I guess I'd want to be there for both of them, but would be v wary of him and be prepared to walk away from both in the future depending how things go, and also be prepared to b ready to support friend if needed in the future.

Squamata · 01/01/2023 09:18

I don't like the sound of him at all op, taking from you in that way was sure to be found out. Is he trying to isolate your friend from her support network? Is he in a mania, on drugs? Or just very thick? Thieving is one thing but the way he did it seems a chaotic way to do it.

Allsnotwell · 01/01/2023 09:20

I know it's going against the grain but I wouldn't call the police. The man owned up and apologised. He needn't have done that. He probably could've got away with it.

I think it’s more likely the friend realized she was complicit in the theft (ate the food - stayed in the hotel) and told him to admit it so she could explain it away and get herself off the hook.

If the police did review the CCTV and discover it was him (and possibly her) then see the text messages of her admitting it - then OP would also be in trouble for being an accessory after the fact.

MichelleScarn · 01/01/2023 09:21

@TodayIsFridayHooray thats ridiculously laughable, you seem to think he's what a brave guy and feel sorry for him?! It took a lot of guts to own up and return the wallet. I also would value my friendship and knowing he'd admitted and said sorry, I would respect that and not take it further. he is owed no bloody respect! No wonder our criminal justice system is in such a state if the attitude of those working with offenders is 'come on, he said sorry, let it go'....
So no thoughts of op and her dp being caught and held complicit in theft and fraud?
Oops forgot they're the victims and they don't count anymore!
@Emschels just wanted to check that as you are such good friends she doesn't have a key or anything to your home?

GCAcademic · 01/01/2023 09:22

TodayIsFridayHooray · 01/01/2023 09:14

I know it's going against the grain but I wouldn't call the police. The man owned up and apologised. He needn't have done that. He probably could've got away with it. I've worked with many offenders over the years and someone admitting the crime before it's even got to police stage is v rare and I think he did the right thing to admit it. It took a lot of guts to own up and return the wallet. I also would value my friendship and knowing he'd admitted and said sorry, I would respect that and not take it further.

However, the theft is obviously a big red flag. I would b very worried for my friend. I'd also be concerned about the man and what his past is and whether he can keep on the straight and narrow. I don't know your friend or this man and so I don't know whether their relationship can work and what he is like and if he's genuinely trying to live a good life or not, or what other kind of messes he's got himself into. I guess I'd want to be there for both of them, but would be v wary of him and be prepared to walk away from both in the future depending how things go, and also be prepared to b ready to support friend if needed in the future.

He admitted the crime because the OP and her partner were onto him and he was trying to stop them going to the police, not out of some noble gesture! And his apologies were short-lived before he moved on to threatening the OP.

Would you really be willing to incur a criminal record for being complicit in fraud, and to lose your teaching job for someone who clearly has form for crime? I doubt it.

Tinkerbyebye · 01/01/2023 09:23

@TodayIsFridayHooray so basically you are happy Banks lose that money as they have refunded? So it’s ok? It’s not. Theft is theft. What happens if the Bank decides after investigation that actually they will not refund ? The ops partner has to pay?

he’s obviously committed crime before and not learnt. How will not reporting stop him from doing this again?

it’s theft pure and simple, and not just one item but lots.
He deserves to be reported, and her friend needs to dump him

Jumbojade · 01/01/2023 09:24

@Iceballoon
“LOL

I have never stolen anything in my life, I have no need to steal. I actually like helping people and giving things away.

Calling the police on a long term friends partner is something I could never do, I have heart.

OP has also said that he is on “licence” so could get sent back to prison, but you think that’s good huh? sending someone back to prison over theft, when there are real criminals out there committing the most horrific crimes.

You sound like one of those people that would could the benefits office on their own friend.”

So let’s just get things straight…..
1 - you don’t think theft is a real crime?
2 - you don’t think thieves should be in prison?
3 - you would happily let someone steal from you and wouldn’t think it is a big deal?
4 - you would risk getting a criminal record yourself to protect a scumbag like this?
5 - you think this is funny (lol)???
6 - you would let a friend’s partner get away with any crime (Calling the police on a long term friends partner is something I could never do, I have heart)???
7 - you think that thieves should be allowed to keep anything they steal?

Wow, you really are a piece of work, aren’t you? Maybe this country is in the state it is, because of friends people like you?

You sound like one of those people who would just call a free for all, and let criminals do whatever they like, without risk of being held responsible for their crimes!

By the way (in case you haven’t guessed) I do think it is a good thing to send a criminal back to prison, when they carry out another crime!

Noshowlomo · 01/01/2023 09:25

Well done OP and partner. Scumbag sounds like my ex friends ex. She’s my ex friend because of him. Absolute scum bag, does what he likes and wants none of the responsibility and everything is everyone else’s fault.

Ginger1982 · 01/01/2023 09:25

TodayIsFridayHooray · 01/01/2023 09:14

I know it's going against the grain but I wouldn't call the police. The man owned up and apologised. He needn't have done that. He probably could've got away with it. I've worked with many offenders over the years and someone admitting the crime before it's even got to police stage is v rare and I think he did the right thing to admit it. It took a lot of guts to own up and return the wallet. I also would value my friendship and knowing he'd admitted and said sorry, I would respect that and not take it further.

However, the theft is obviously a big red flag. I would b very worried for my friend. I'd also be concerned about the man and what his past is and whether he can keep on the straight and narrow. I don't know your friend or this man and so I don't know whether their relationship can work and what he is like and if he's genuinely trying to live a good life or not, or what other kind of messes he's got himself into. I guess I'd want to be there for both of them, but would be v wary of him and be prepared to walk away from both in the future depending how things go, and also be prepared to b ready to support friend if needed in the future.

Took a lot of guts to own up??

Have a word with yourself 🙄

eatsleeplaugh · 01/01/2023 09:26

Wow. Not at all in the wrong. What a horrible situation for you to be put in. That's inexcusable, your friend is in the wrong too.

Chippy1234 · 01/01/2023 09:26

Ice - are you serious? This scum stole from her and the ‘partner’ although it could be this women is his latest conquest until she hopefully sees the light is clearly involved to. Making excuses for him over and over again.

It makes my blood boil when women do this to just to have ‘partner’.

Its clearly the way he lives his life until he gets caught. He behaves like this all the time doesn’t he?

RSintes · 01/01/2023 09:27

Perhaps doing a Claire's Law request on the boyfriend will help your friend see the light about his offending and the mess of a situation that she's got herself into.

You can do them on behalf of someone else but you won't get the information. The police will come and chat to your friend once he's safely out of the way and support her.

This is all the more important if she has a child and works with children. The police ought to be very concerned that a repeat serious offender is in potential contact with a young child and is potentially drawing other adults into his web like your friend who seems sucked in by his lies and behaviour.

I had to do one several years ago for a friend who'd got entangled with someone with extensive history of domestic violence and had been in prison for GBH on a previous partner. My friend had tried to justify his actions to me with "but he said it was her fault that he went to prison as she bruised easily" The police were round her place within hours after the application had been made to help her and her kids to move out and protect them.

Claire's Law isn't just for violent situations but will support anyone who is at risk in an coercive, controlling abusive relationship with a partner who is known to the police.

www.sarsas.org.uk/resources/clares-law/

Speak to the officer who comes to take your statements about doing a Claire's Law application

LIZS · 01/01/2023 09:27

Definitely report to bank fraud department. As they refunded your dh it is them who are now financially down. It probably won't be significant enough for them to bother to pursue it but cover your back.

Baldieheid · 01/01/2023 09:28

Police. Otherwise if fraud investigation makes the link between your partner and the thief and that he knew who it was, your partner could well be charged with fraud. Stuff the new guy, why should your partner risk jail for him? The banks WILL pursue this so do it right.

AstroAl · 01/01/2023 09:28

Hope you’re okay OP after all of this.
I think it is extremely weird they asked to come and hang out at your house in the way they did. Like teenagers with nowhere to go?

I hope the police take swift action - if they contact you make sure to mention the threat.

I would also ask Mumsnet to delete this thread incase a tabloid picks it up.

You and your partner are absolutely doing the right thing.

hardboiledeggs · 01/01/2023 09:29

You’re doing the right thing OP. He’s a thief and needs to be held responsible. She is not much of a friend, time to ditch her.

IVbumble · 01/01/2023 09:30

Have you checked to see if anything else is missing from the house?

Y7drama · 01/01/2023 09:31

GCAcademic · 01/01/2023 00:03

As the thief is someone known to you and your boyfriend, your boyfriend needs to protect himself by reporting this to the police, otherwise he may find himself in a situation where it’s deemed he’s defrauded his bank(s).

Actually this is a very good point.

BellePeppa · 01/01/2023 09:34

TouchBlack · 01/01/2023 00:28

I know this may not go down well...but could this have been done by both of them?

Definitely report him.

He certainly sounds low life enough to implicate his gf as the influence even if she wasn’t involved. I can’t believe she is staying with him knowing what he’s like (if she wasn’t a part of it).

Soubriquet · 01/01/2023 09:36

TodayIsFridayHooray · 01/01/2023 09:14

I know it's going against the grain but I wouldn't call the police. The man owned up and apologised. He needn't have done that. He probably could've got away with it. I've worked with many offenders over the years and someone admitting the crime before it's even got to police stage is v rare and I think he did the right thing to admit it. It took a lot of guts to own up and return the wallet. I also would value my friendship and knowing he'd admitted and said sorry, I would respect that and not take it further.

However, the theft is obviously a big red flag. I would b very worried for my friend. I'd also be concerned about the man and what his past is and whether he can keep on the straight and narrow. I don't know your friend or this man and so I don't know whether their relationship can work and what he is like and if he's genuinely trying to live a good life or not, or what other kind of messes he's got himself into. I guess I'd want to be there for both of them, but would be v wary of him and be prepared to walk away from both in the future depending how things go, and also be prepared to b ready to support friend if needed in the future.

He owned up because the OP said she was calling the police.

He was hoping if he owned up and “apologised” she would drop it and not get the police involved.

Obviously it didn’t work

Womencanlift · 01/01/2023 09:37

You have absolutely done the right thing OP. As pp’s have said because you have a personal connection to the thief your DP could have been at risk of being investigated too

You have nothing to feel bad about. I hope your friend enjoyed that night in the hotel ( I would put money in it that she was there too which cctv should prove if needed) as it’s resulted in a lifetime friendship being lost.

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