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That Andrew Tate wasn’t found because of a pizza box?

168 replies

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 16:33

I’ll start by saying that he deserves to rot in jail and the Twitter exchange was quite brilliant.

However, it really bothers me how this is being reported. So many articles of how it’s all to Greta and a pizza box.

It’s reducing the Romanian police force to bumbling idiots, watching SM in the hope of a clue ,any clue. I’m not saying the tweet didn’t possibly contribute, but the papers put it all down to it. So ,no surveillance, no investigations, no tracking or phones or credit cards , no work or intelligence used or required? Just sitting around and praying that a tweet with a location falls in their laps?

YABU: The tweet was essential, and they couldn’t have done it without it.

YANBU: The arrest was due to months of work and investigations, the tweet had minimal(if at any contribution) and it’s all being spun in a suitable feel good/karma narrative.

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JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 21:54

@dolor it's she not they thank you.

Have you even bothered to read my posts?

The only link with Greta is that the media/SM are making it all about her /the pizza box and not the work involved by the actual police or the victims. Not just the ones rescued, but the victim that actually started all this and who is the woman that did bring him down him down.

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EmmaAgain22 · 30/12/2022 21:57

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 21:54

@dolor it's she not they thank you.

Have you even bothered to read my posts?

The only link with Greta is that the media/SM are making it all about her /the pizza box and not the work involved by the actual police or the victims. Not just the ones rescued, but the victim that actually started all this and who is the woman that did bring him down him down.

But the victims cannot be referenced really - it's not proven and they must be protected at all costs. Can you imagine if info about the victims got out?

And no one can comment on an ongoing investigation.

dolor · 30/12/2022 21:58

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 21:54

@dolor it's she not they thank you.

Have you even bothered to read my posts?

The only link with Greta is that the media/SM are making it all about her /the pizza box and not the work involved by the actual police or the victims. Not just the ones rescued, but the victim that actually started all this and who is the woman that did bring him down him down.

I didn't want to assume your gender. 😎

YetiTeri · 30/12/2022 22:04

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 21:54

@dolor it's she not they thank you.

Have you even bothered to read my posts?

The only link with Greta is that the media/SM are making it all about her /the pizza box and not the work involved by the actual police or the victims. Not just the ones rescued, but the victim that actually started all this and who is the woman that did bring him down him down.

But she didn't do anything. And she's not claiming she did which is why your take is so weird.

He made that film. Whether it did or didn't impact the investigation it did confirm his whereabouts to within a few hour period. Which he did. Nothing to do with GT, she just made two very good jokes. She is not responsible for him.

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 22:05

@EmmaAgain22 it tends to be in two situations

  1. When there's reasonable suspicion that some committed a crime and also proof that they are a flight risk, that they might intimidate the victim or witnesses, try to bribe other involved etc.
  1. When the crime they are accused of (with enough evidence of reasonable suspicion) is murder,terrorism/threat to national security money laundering, arms trafficking , drug trafficking, people /sex trafficking,rape and so on.

Tate is being investigated for sex trafficking and rape so it's a double whammy on the second one. I'd say they had some evidence on the first too , especially the flight risk part.

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EmmaAgain22 · 30/12/2022 22:08

Thanks OP.

So there is actually a country that will hold someone for 30 days on suspicion of rape? And he thought he'd have an easier time there.

pompei8309 · 30/12/2022 22:11

If you’re remanding in arrest for 30 days in Ro is definitely not because of a pizza box is because they have quite a bit of evidence of wrongdoing, that is the maximum you can stay in arrest in Ro for which in theory means you’re in big shit

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 22:11

@YetiTeri I'm not saying she did , or that she is in any way to blame for anything.

My annoyance is at the media /SM spin. That's it. Nothing more,nothing less . Some people deduced from that that I must hate Greta when I've barely expressed any views about her (except to applaud her tweets) , much less such strong ones like hate.Which is about as factual as the claims that the Romanian police said it WAS the pizza box that helped them arrest him.

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EmmaAgain22 · 30/12/2022 22:12

pompei8309 · 30/12/2022 22:11

If you’re remanding in arrest for 30 days in Ro is definitely not because of a pizza box is because they have quite a bit of evidence of wrongdoing, that is the maximum you can stay in arrest in Ro for which in theory means you’re in big shit

No one is suggesting it's about a pizza box. Am i beimg trolled.

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 22:15

EmmaAgain22 · 30/12/2022 22:08

Thanks OP.

So there is actually a country that will hold someone for 30 days on suspicion of rape? And he thought he'd have an easier time there.

To be fair I doubt it would happen in a typical she said,he said no evidence ,no witnesses rape situation, but yeah if the evidence is convincing enough that there's a reasonable belief the accused committed the crime then that law is/can be applied, normally at the request of the prosecutor.

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ivykaty44 · 30/12/2022 22:17

So many criminal actions are proved with SM as foolishness happens to people committing crimes.

so it doesn’t surprise me that police seeing which pizza was delivering to AT, could then get his address. AT wasn’t very clever in showing the pizza boxes he had delivered to his address.

tbh AT comes across as a bungling idiot

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 22:23

ivykaty44 · 30/12/2022 22:17

So many criminal actions are proved with SM as foolishness happens to people committing crimes.

so it doesn’t surprise me that police seeing which pizza was delivering to AT, could then get his address. AT wasn’t very clever in showing the pizza boxes he had delivered to his address.

tbh AT comes across as a bungling idiot

They knew his address! As they knew the address of the other people involved , and other properties that were searched. What they wanted was to have both of them (and presumably the others) together at their known locations so they could get them all in one go and less chance of fleeing,hiding /destroying evidence etc.

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ivykaty44 · 30/12/2022 22:31

They knew his address!

yes but where was he? How did they find out which address they were at, together?

StaunchMomma · 30/12/2022 22:45

dolor · 30/12/2022 19:13

Well, it's because people would pick a hill like this to die on because they can't stand a girl. The irony is monumental.

The anger thrown at her, an autistic teenager, is truly revolting.

longwayoff · 30/12/2022 22:46

OP you need therapy. Good luck.

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 22:51

@StaunchMomma show me where I've been angry at her in any way ,shape or form or where I've said anything even slightly derogatory?

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dolor · 30/12/2022 22:53

StaunchMomma · 30/12/2022 22:45

The anger thrown at her, an autistic teenager, is truly revolting.

It's not new unfortunately, people can't handle that she's an intelligent teen who doesn't take shit from morons.

Witheringtong · 30/12/2022 22:57

The only link with Greta is that the media/SM are making it all about her /the pizza box...

Yep. People are churning out memes today and satire is the best possible response to an absolute arsehole who made himself a role model for young men.

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 22:57

ivykaty44 · 30/12/2022 22:31

They knew his address!

yes but where was he? How did they find out which address they were at, together?

At his main residence in Bucharest(county Ilfov to be precise).Which had been raided and the police visited when they picked him up before. This all started in April ,at least.

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JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 23:02

If anyone cares what the Romanian police actually has to say about it.

Tristan and Andrew Tate were tracked and tracked for months, from April to December, based on specific measures warrants, and their capture had nothing to do with establishing the presence of the Tate brothers in Romania based on a photo with a box of pizza, photo posted by them on social networks.

Judicial sources EXCLUSIVELY refuted for Gândul the story of the British media regarding the way in which DIICOT would have found out the precise location of the two and their presence in the residence in Pipera. Specifically, the cited judicial sources claim that prosecutors and organized crime officers acted on the day of the search based on warrants issued by the rights and freedoms judge at the Bucharest Court.

This aspect, the cited sources explain, denotes the fact that the criminal investigation was nearing the end, and during it specific measures mandates were issued by the same judges from TB.

Thus, the two toxic influencers were wiretapped, ambient and telephone intercepted and monitored by satellite.

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Jijithecat · 30/12/2022 23:07

I get it OP. The pizza box Twitter spat makes it all seem like fun and games when actually the police are investigating serious and organised crime.
People are forgetting about the victims. It doesn't matter that we don't know anything about the victims. They're human beings and no one should be subjected to what they have been through (allegedly).

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 30/12/2022 23:09

Jijithecat · 30/12/2022 23:07

I get it OP. The pizza box Twitter spat makes it all seem like fun and games when actually the police are investigating serious and organised crime.
People are forgetting about the victims. It doesn't matter that we don't know anything about the victims. They're human beings and no one should be subjected to what they have been through (allegedly).

This ,thank you.

They are appealing the 30 day arrest. I hope it sticks. Romanian prison definitely won't be fun and games.

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MintyFreshOne · 30/12/2022 23:14

Jijithecat · 30/12/2022 23:07

I get it OP. The pizza box Twitter spat makes it all seem like fun and games when actually the police are investigating serious and organised crime.
People are forgetting about the victims. It doesn't matter that we don't know anything about the victims. They're human beings and no one should be subjected to what they have been through (allegedly).

There are videos of him verbally and physically abusing those girls (you can see them on Twitter but I wouldn’t recommend it, it’s hard to watch), they shouldn’t not be forgotten for sure.

At least one of those girls was brave enough to come forward to provide evidence and testimony

PissedAgain · 30/12/2022 23:15

Who knows. Maybe it's lazy policing. If it was in the uk I'd say load of chip would be done to trace him. Outside of the UK legislation is different.

Tuilpmouse · 30/12/2022 23:22

Jijithecat · 30/12/2022 23:07

I get it OP. The pizza box Twitter spat makes it all seem like fun and games when actually the police are investigating serious and organised crime.
People are forgetting about the victims. It doesn't matter that we don't know anything about the victims. They're human beings and no one should be subjected to what they have been through (allegedly).

This story (whatever the truth of it) amplifies his case massively, which in turn will increase the interest in the substance of his alleged crimes as this progresses.

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