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To still have not forgiven my dad for leaving us?

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buildingourdreams · 29/12/2022 17:08

I am 25 now and have 2 dc of my own. When I was only 10 my dad suddenly left us, me and mum had our suspicions that it was this younger girl he worked with although he denied it. He moved in with friends into a house share, (I mean who leaves their family for a house share in their 30's, tragic.) Mum wanted him back, we all did. so after a few months he did agree to come back at one point but it was obvious to everyone he did not want to be there and this only lasted a few weeks until he upped and left again. This time for good. Weeks after, he finally admitted to Mum he had a girlfriend and low and behold it was this younger girl who we are pretty sure he would have been seeing the whole time. After this I used to see him most weekends for about a year but eventually I told him he would have to choose between having me in his life or his girlfriend, he chose his girlfriend. So I refused to see him anymore. They were engaged in about a year at the most then had a new daughter only 2 years after he left us (I mean wtf who even does that), and got married shortly after. Mum said it was literally as soon as their divorce came through, disgusting.

My "dad" is still married to OW and has two girls one is 13 and one is 8. and also OWs son who is now 16 so what a nice happy family. I used to look at their social media all the time, OW's and the older kids. But now I have them all blocked as it makes me too angry. He used to pay child support until I started work and emails me every so often, and sends me money for my DC birthdays and my birthday and Christmas. I did tell him when I was pregnant and when my LOs were born and I sometimes ask him for money (😳 ) but I don't want anything else off him.

DH thinks I should at least talk to him as I never got his side of things, he had similar with his dad and after a difficult few years reconciled a few years ago, now they are best mates. But his dad did not betray his family by having a brand new set of kids, he is with the same lady but never married. I just think too much water has gone under the bridge though and especially now I am a mum I will never understand how anyone could leave their own kids. But what if I regret it one day?

OP posts:
TheYummyPatler · 30/12/2022 09:03

This is the difficulty around the concept of parental alienation. Sometimes it clearly does happen. This OP’s mum has done an astounding job of it, and has prevented her daughter from having a relationship and family life with her father and half siblings.

TheYummyPatler · 30/12/2022 09:05

Tumbleweed101 · 30/12/2022 08:59

My 16yo daughter is struggling at the moment and trying to process her dad leaving the family. She was about five when he left, initially they didn’t notice too much as he visited several times a week and helped out even with having a bee girlfriend. More recently he split with that woman and met a new one and since then has been far more absent in their lives. He has moved away from the area and has step children living in the home.

My daughter often refers to them as his ‘new family’ and that he’s their dad now and she hasn’t got one. It’s hard trying to approach it sensitivity so that feeling doesn’t set hold and cause longer term damage for her in years to come.

Would she talk to a counsellor? It might help her to have a neutral party, especially one experienced in helping young people with family issues, to help her process her thoughts.

Ndd135632 · 30/12/2022 09:06

Is this thread a wind up? OP your mother has let you down badly if this is all true.

ConfusedmumUC · 30/12/2022 09:21

You’ve made this entire situation into a toxic disaster, op. You’re an adult, you can look back on a situation with the experience of an adult and try to be balanced, but you choose to behave like the child and hold onto (most likely misplaced) resentment.

Fact is he did try to reach out, he has tried to include you and you and your mother decided to be petty and resentful.

He did his duty in paying child support, most men don’t bother.

The fact you speak so disgracefully about your siblings tells more than you realise.

Get therapy, grow up, start making adult decisions.

final note, you said in your op who moves into a shared house at 30, how tragic? Someone who’s desperately unhappy, that’s who.

Ndd135632 · 30/12/2022 09:25

@ConfusedmumUC agree. But I think that’s because the a lot of the words the OP is saying are not her own. They are her mother’s words and thoughts.

OP - after all this time please go get therapy and go and listen to your fathers tale. It shouldn’t alienate your mother at all. The point is to get to a place where you have some kind of relationship with both your parents.

amiold · 30/12/2022 09:25
  • Yes he did but I ignored him mostly and also my mum told him to back off and leave me alone. He could have then taken mum to court couldn't he? How ever, as he didn't do this; clearly did not want to see me that much.

He even invited me to his wedding to OW despite the fact I had stopped seeing him 2 years prior I mean wtf (Obvs I did not go! And my mum gave him a piece of her mind for that as well.)*

Wow. Your mum has done a number here.
If he never invited you to the wedding she'd had got you thinking he didn't want you. If he took her to court she'd have got you thinking he upset you both and "dragged you through court". Your mum isn't as good as you think here. She couldn't handle being left and instead of encouraging you to have a relationship with him and deciding for yourself who he was, she pushed her own hurt and burdens onto you and created a really toxic situation where you've missed out seeing your dad and siblings over the years.

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/12/2022 09:35

MelchiorsMistress · 29/12/2022 18:16

Do people really think it’s ok for a parent to leave a family home and start a whole new family without first ensuring that their children have adjusted to the split?

It’s not just about him leaving, it’s about how he handled it after that.

This

Yanbu. He did a really shitty thing.

All those those who think the OP is bitter or should have moved on....this is what messy divorce and family breakup does to kids. It scars them and can cause life long trauma. People need to stop minimising.

buildingourdreams · 30/12/2022 09:38

Tumbleweed101 · 30/12/2022 08:59

My 16yo daughter is struggling at the moment and trying to process her dad leaving the family. She was about five when he left, initially they didn’t notice too much as he visited several times a week and helped out even with having a bee girlfriend. More recently he split with that woman and met a new one and since then has been far more absent in their lives. He has moved away from the area and has step children living in the home.

My daughter often refers to them as his ‘new family’ and that he’s their dad now and she hasn’t got one. It’s hard trying to approach it sensitivity so that feeling doesn’t set hold and cause longer term damage for her in years to come.

God I'm sorry to read this ...my heart breaks for your daughter

This is how I felt that my dad just went and got a "new" family.

And to all those blaming my mum - I can assure you all I did and do have a mind of my own thank you .

OP posts:
WhiteFire · 30/12/2022 09:42

You sound as if you are still 10, not 25

That is the issue, the OP is stuck at 10 years old, and until she is able to unpick that she won't be able to move on. It shouldn't be thrown at her as a criticism, but as a point of understanding where she's at now.

buildingourdreams · 30/12/2022 09:43

Oh and to be clear (and apologies for drip feed I am just trying to answer as many questions as I can as they come up). It is 99% certain my dad was seeing OW as soon as he left and probably before. As in the weeks commencing him leaving for the first time, both me and other family members did some online snooping and found pictures of them together and social media comments from their friends that imply they were in a relationship. Ie "beautiful pair" and similar 🤮

OP posts:
amiold · 30/12/2022 09:44

buildingourdreams · 30/12/2022 09:43

Oh and to be clear (and apologies for drip feed I am just trying to answer as many questions as I can as they come up). It is 99% certain my dad was seeing OW as soon as he left and probably before. As in the weeks commencing him leaving for the first time, both me and other family members did some online snooping and found pictures of them together and social media comments from their friends that imply they were in a relationship. Ie "beautiful pair" and similar 🤮

That's shit but you're focusing on why your dad left your mum and not about your relationship with him.

WhiteFire · 30/12/2022 09:48

OP - I'm aware that some (most?) Of this has been hard and upsetting for you to read, but the choices you have at the moment are to allow this to continue to fester inside you and you are the one being hurt the most if you do this; talk honestly with your Dad and/or have some therapy to work through all your emotions.

Your emotional processing of this is still at 10 years (that is not meant as a criticism) and you need to be able to move that on.

I do wish you every happiness, but this is something you need to tackle yourself.

Notanotherusername4321 · 30/12/2022 09:53

So at 10 years old you were stalking your dad and his girlfriend on social media?

15 years ago, in 2007. Facebook only available to the general public from 2006, so you were pretty tech savvy and an early adopter then?

that was pretty much the only social media platform. And also the iphone wasn’t released until 2007, before that uploading photos wasn’t as easy. Your dad/gf would need to be tech savvy too.

do you think you might be misremembering the timeline?

what were you doing on social media under 13 anyway?

WhiteFire · 30/12/2022 09:54

Why, were you as a 10 year old, being enabled to snoop online?

Those family members should have been protecting you. You have been failed by a lot of adults (and possibly older siblings).

TheYummyPatler · 30/12/2022 09:54

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/12/2022 09:35

This

Yanbu. He did a really shitty thing.

All those those who think the OP is bitter or should have moved on....this is what messy divorce and family breakup does to kids. It scars them and can cause life long trauma. People need to stop minimising.

It didn’t have to be messy like that though. A mother who tells her 10 year old that her father ‘left us’ is behaving very badly and not in the interests of the child at all.

DrMarciaFieldstone · 30/12/2022 10:05

TheYummyPatler · 30/12/2022 09:54

It didn’t have to be messy like that though. A mother who tells her 10 year old that her father ‘left us’ is behaving very badly and not in the interests of the child at all.

She’s also ensured that her child is still angry and resentful, and apparently unable to move on 15 years later. She’s spent more of her life angry, than not.

Meanwhile, by all accounts the father is having a nice life. He left their mother yes, just as she left her previous partner, but he’s paid and also paid when OP has asked him for money. He’s tried to stay in contact and invited her to the wedding. He’s still married so presumably they are happy.

Not sure what OP’s DM thinks she would have achieved here.

DrMarciaFieldstone · 30/12/2022 10:07

And agree with PP’s, a 10yo should not have had access to social media, this is also on the mother.

She’s encouraged them to see it as he left them, when it was her.

Notanotherusername4321 · 30/12/2022 10:16

A 10 year old child, in 2007, would not be aware of social media unless an adult had demonstrated it and how to use it.

which platforms were you using o/p? Facebook? Instagram?

TheYummyPatler · 30/12/2022 10:47

DrMarciaFieldstone · 30/12/2022 10:05

She’s also ensured that her child is still angry and resentful, and apparently unable to move on 15 years later. She’s spent more of her life angry, than not.

Meanwhile, by all accounts the father is having a nice life. He left their mother yes, just as she left her previous partner, but he’s paid and also paid when OP has asked him for money. He’s tried to stay in contact and invited her to the wedding. He’s still married so presumably they are happy.

Not sure what OP’s DM thinks she would have achieved here.

She ‘won’. Her daughter sees her father as a villain and is totally ‘loyal’ to her mother.

I wonder if the half brothers the OP views as siblings were similarly alienated from their father too.

My MIL is a toxic nightmare whose husband left her 35 years ago. Yes, he had an affair (which was shit) but I can well believe that he was utterly miserable with MIL. FIL is still with his second wife. He did his best to be a father to his kids, despite his ex’s best intentions.

Meanwhile MIL is a bitter, nasty misanthrope who has spent the last 35 years trying to ensure she gets her revenge on FIL through their children’s hatred. She’s livid that the alienation has only been partially effective on her eldest (and she has a go at him for having a relationship with his father). But her younger two have no relationship with their father and all her children bear the psychological scars of a childhood of parental alienation and performative maternal martyrhood.

What a ‘victory’.

DrMarciaFieldstone · 30/12/2022 10:48

TheYummyPatler · 30/12/2022 10:47

She ‘won’. Her daughter sees her father as a villain and is totally ‘loyal’ to her mother.

I wonder if the half brothers the OP views as siblings were similarly alienated from their father too.

My MIL is a toxic nightmare whose husband left her 35 years ago. Yes, he had an affair (which was shit) but I can well believe that he was utterly miserable with MIL. FIL is still with his second wife. He did his best to be a father to his kids, despite his ex’s best intentions.

Meanwhile MIL is a bitter, nasty misanthrope who has spent the last 35 years trying to ensure she gets her revenge on FIL through their children’s hatred. She’s livid that the alienation has only been partially effective on her eldest (and she has a go at him for having a relationship with his father). But her younger two have no relationship with their father and all her children bear the psychological scars of a childhood of parental alienation and performative maternal martyrhood.

What a ‘victory’.

It’s sadly a very common tale.

Pinkyxx · 30/12/2022 10:49

@jesseastmids I can understand your pain and don’t agree it has anything to do with your Mother. Your Father’s choices / behavior traumatized you. To you, then a young girl of 10, he rejected and abandoned you. 10 is a very difficult age, old enough to be fully aware of what was going on, yet too young to ‘deal with’ all the very painful and difficult emotions alone. No one helped you to process all this, not your Mum and not your Dad.

You know your Dad left your Mum, not you – but that’s not the point is it? He left. The way he left was unbearable to you. When you tried to express this (in the form of a childish ultimatum) rather than try and help you deal with your emotions and pain (which involved acceptance and empathy about how you felt about the situation), he fulfilled your worst fear: he rejected and abandoned you again. Your Mum seems to have also not recognized your emotional pain or tended to it, instead she placed responsibility for this on a 10 year old – allowing you to deal with it the only way you knew how – to remove it because it hurt. A 10 year old should not have that responsibility, it is too much for a child of that age to cope with.

My DD is like you, in that she didn’t cope with our divorce. She could not cope with all the changes in her life, the introduction of a new family overnight – it was too much. She was only 2 at the time and while I never told her that ex left for OW, cohabited immediately, was married and had another child within 12 months of leaving, she worked it all out over time. Her pain and difficulty spurred her to seek answers, answers I refused to give – instead I encouraged her to embrace and accept her new life. With time, she pieced it all together and reached the conclusion that her father had an affair – the timing was too fast for it to be anything else. My ‘’hiding the truth’’ as my DD puts it did not help, and ultimately caused great difficulties between us. I was dishonest in her mind, I denied her the right to know the truth. I did what I thought was right.

DD has had emotional issues from age 2.5 onwards. The many therapists & social workers who have worked with her have explained to me that she was deeply traumatized by her Father’s actions, his insistence that his young daughter should be happy about this new life he presented overnight,
his inability to tend to her emotional needs, his inability to help her integrate into her new life, and ultimately his unreliability as a father given he has without fail placed his own needs ahead of hers. Years of social workers working with ex have failed to prompt any change on his part – despite the escalating difficulties court ordered contact have caused DD.

Adults have the right to be happy, however, in my view parents should put their children’s needs first. Leave an unhappy marriage by all means, but tend to your children’s needs before you tend to you own wants. Some adults are incapable of this. They want their ‘’best life’’ and they want it now.

I will tell you I tell my own daughter: Your Dad loves you to the extent he is able to, in his own way. It is nevertheless love. Parents are not perfect, love is imperfect and we do not always get what we need from those we love. None of us is perfect. A lifetime of anger will not change the past, whereas forgiveness sets you free to enjoy your future. Try and have the best relationship you can with your Dad.

Wrinklydinkly · 30/12/2022 10:52

It really looks like you're torn, your mother obviously used you as a weapon and poisoned your mind. Everything you say is immature and twisted . you are an adult now.you should decide if you want a relationship with your dad.god knows he's tried to have one with you. If nothing he does is ever good enough for you, stop taking his money , stop punishing him. What are you doing to your own kids. I hope you're not poisoning their minds like mummy did to you. Read back your posts. You sound about ten years old still.

3487642l · 30/12/2022 10:52

My understanding is that it is best to focus on the kids and not introduce a new significant other in the first couple of years after separation as it has such a huge impact, and is such a big adjustment for children. They will have grief and trauma from the family unit break up. The circumstances around your dad leaving you sounds hurtful and confusing to a child. I think it is understandable OP that you feel your dad prioritized himself over your well-being and betrayed you by starting a new family. I think he behaved selfishly, and wasn't a great dad to you if he didn't take your devastation seriously. I'm sorry this happened and I don't think you need to feel bad about him contributing money to you. It's the basic decent thing to do considering his impact on your life.

PublicTransport · 30/12/2022 10:55

How sad this is - and unfortunately not unusual I expect.
There's no way OP will see what everybody else sees. There are plenty of posters trying to explain or recommend how the OP can move forward - but she won't.

The problem is I think the OP's DH has raised this because maybe he sees what we have seen. Perhaps he recognizes the damage this has done, the poison still affecting OP, the loss of a potentially positive relationship for his own kids with their grandfather. He feels a second chance is needed and he won't have suggested that if things were really as black and white as OP makes out. Maybe he also has concerns about the influence of OP's mother? (Speculation of course but it's all we have at this point).

My advice is the same as others have given OP - get some therapy, look at this again with the support of your DP. And good luck.

SusanPerbCallMeSue · 30/12/2022 11:29

The more I read the OP's posts the more I'm thinking parental alienation. Your mum has done a good job of it.

Why would she say they were so happy? Because it fits her narrative of him being the awful dad who left you. You really can't see it. She told your dad to back off when he invited you to his wedding. Yes, he could have taken it to court, but at 10 they would have listened to you saying you didn't want to see him, so maybe he knew that wouldn't get him anywhere.

Can't believe you were snooping online then. Where? There was hardly any social media, Facebook was new. Smart phones for kids was really not a thing (I have a son nearly the same age as you) So someone was showing you these things. Who?

I still think you need therapy to untangle this and see how your mum has played a part in the ruined relationship between you and your dad.