The state of the NHS laid bare in one video... Pinderfields General Hospital, Wakefield, West Yorkshire

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Video posted outside Pinderfields General Hospital a couple of hours ago. No capacity in resus areas, no trollies to offload patients from ambulances. Which in turn means people in the community waiting hours and hours for emergency 999 calls.

People say health care professionals went into the job knowing what they was getting into.. not one nurse I know (or Dr or paramedic or HCA) went into their job knowing this would be their reality. This is why people are leaving, why people are striking. Its not just about pay, its about working conditions. Pay does play a part admittedly, the pay doesn't marry up with the level of responsibility, the level of stress, the level of upset caused by knowing you're going home after knowing not one patient has had your absolute best all day.. because its impossible to achieve.

This is the reality of the NHS 💔

I am under 6 different onsultants for various things at Pinderfields and A and E\ are overstretched,they always are but I have found all my appointments for the various clinics are all running on time and I am happy with that. Diagnistics are also running as usual. I am recieving really regular treatment and I have found no problems as of yet.

I can only speak from a systems perspective absolutely no way related to the front line and medical care, but as a consultancy, we never send our best people to go and work for the NHS or HMRC, because we know their efforts will be entirely wasted. The NHS is often charged more by the management team, and it’s almost like danger money because they know it will harm their CV if they admit to it.

There are people within the NHS, that are actively sabotaging digital change within it, and whilst I’m not suggesting the new systems are infallible. They almost definitely better than what’s in place now.

All that crap about Boris fixing social care when all the fecker did was quote a few figures and suggest a cap on the total fees a resident had to pay - none of which added up.
If more money was spent on social care and it was well organised by national and local government then this would go a long way to improve the health service as people would be able to be discharged home when medically fit

Those of you blaming the young male immigrants, criticising their English skills and calling them semi-literate - if circumstances in England change (and the way things are going, they could very well) so that you're forced to leave for another country with a different writing system, I look forward to seeing how amazingly fast you mange to become fluent in that language.

Also, next time you go into a packed hospital - look at the queue of patients - how many of them are not British? Then look at the nursing staff and the number of them who aren't British. Odds are a much higher percentage of the hospital staff will be from abroad compared to the patients.

Paying nurses and medical staff more won't be a silver bullet, but it will solve lots of the problems because they'll be less likely to leave the system, which will alleviate the staff shortages somewhat. Same with teachers, we would have less problems in schools if there wasn't such a problem with retention.

In the last 20 years our population has increased by 8 million. During the same period the number of hospital beds had reduced by 80 thousand.

Add in a pandemic and it's not rocket science why our services may be struggling.

I blame both political parties - Labour for encouraging immigration without a planned internal structure to meet demand and leaving the pot empty (remember the post it note saying the moneys all gone) and Conservatives for not foreseeing how the situation would develop. I do appreciate they had to make the financial numbers balance following Labour but we should not be in the position we are.

All political parties should be bound by minimum standards such as GP, hospital beds, schools, police etc per % of population.

Frustratingly, nothing will change so long as the UK has FPTP. Whilst coalition governments have their downsides, wider consultation and cooperation would force governments to work in terms longer than 5 years and actually put effort into planning and infrastructure, as well as managing the here and now.

But the country is a bin fire and like a PP has said, it’s gone beyond repair or repair will take generations. By then climate change will be so advanced, that we’ll be too busy protecting our few resources from the billions of migrants escaping much worse conditions in countries around the equator. Even during war times the future never looked so grim.

Immigration isn't a problem in my hospital. The rural South West isn't really somewhere they want to be and we dont see any. Yet we are in every bit of as much of a nightmare as anywhere else. So it seems very unfair to blame immigrants.

@Angeldelight81 my son worked in a managed service provider(IT) within NHS for a while- he would totally agree with you- positively archaic at some levels - and it wasn't all about money- sone was about resistance to change

"I blame both political parties - Labour for encouraging immigration without a planned internal structure to meet demand and leaving the pot empty (remember the post it note saying the moneys all gone)"

Labour encouraging immigration? We've had higher rates of immigration from 2010 to 2022 than we had from 2000 to 2010. Also - there was an international banking crash in 2008 - note 'international'. And the economy was already on the mend when the Tories took over and trashed things with an unnecessarily harsh and ill advised approach to austerity.

BTW - the note 'there's no money left' - it's a tradition in the treasury that goes all the way back to Winston Churchill. A joke which the Tories have exploited for 12 years. I see it's still working. :-(

The thing that scares me is the people on this thread who genuinely believe there's a solution to the situation we're in - they think we can just privatise the system and it'll all sort itself out. That we'll end up with a health system like France.

Don't you people realise that the government has trashed the social fabric to the point that we can't afford to train doctors, we can't recruit staff, and we can't hold on to the staff we've already got. Why on earth would a young doctor want to live and work in the UK, when they could work somewhere with affordable housing and a decent quality of life?

We're screwed. Completely screwed.

I agree with this. Healthy people need to make more effort to stay that way.

I was sent by GP to A&E with my daughter a few months back. They needed to get someone from the surgical team to look at her but the hospital's phone and internal communications systems went down at the same time so they couldn't get hold of anyone which meant we had to wait an extra two hours.

@Forever42 its a shambles. The salaries arent amazing within the NHS for the IT department, but they’re not terrible either. They shouldn’t have imbeciles working there, and yet they do.

"but also people need to start taking responsibility for their own health, the majority of my lot are sick because they smoke, drink too much and are obese and have medical problems directly to do with their lifestyle."

You make it sound as though all people have to do is to make a decision to be healthier and through a bit of effort they can manage this, and then maintain it. But anyone who knows even the smallest thing about public health knows that substance abuse and obesity are intractable global problems that are actually hugely resistant to meaningful and sustained change, particularly in a social environment where inequality is increasing and where austerity has damaged people's access to addiction services, housing, etc. The people most likely to be obese/ill with lifestyle related diseases in the UK are the poorest people with the least social support, and people living on the margins of society, who are already simply struggling to survive.

I don't disagree from a political point of view... I have never and will never voted Tory. But I'm also tired of this being trotted out as the panacea to fixing the NHS.

It simply isn't as simple as this.

The Tories have starved the NHS (and social care) of cash. They are ideologically opposed to the NHS. No one denies this. But none of this in itself means that the NHS would work if we threw more money at it.

There are profound structural, medical and demographics based problems at the heart of the NHS which mean that money that is thrown at it will never really "stick" properly. And while I would like a short-term cash injection to pay better salaries for NHS workers and relief some of the short term pressures, its ludicrous to keep trotting out the idea that this profoundly dysfunctional system needs more money poured into its gaping maw.

We need to have some very difficult population-wide discussions about what the NHS is for and critically what it is not for.

And this ideological posturing that says (roughly) that the solution to all ills is simply to get rid of the Tories is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "la la la I can't hear you".

Watch yourself OP slating our holy NHS, the fanatics will be on soon enough telling us all to be grateful.

Give over. The NHS has had its day. Sooner it’s privatised the better.

Boggles my mind why people think privatisation is the answer. We'll have the shit situation with access we have now but you'll have to pay £50k if you have a heart attack

And once you have privatised a health system to (mis)quote a previous party leader don't be old, don't be sick, don't be poor, don't be disabled.

Boggles my mind why people think privatisation is the answer. We'll have the shit situation with access we have now but you'll have to pay £50k if you have a heart attack

Except that isn't what happens with the mixed models that work in our European neighbouring countries, is it? They have accessible healthcare, far lower waiting times, far better health outcomes and only pay a tiny fraction more of GDP per capita for this.

Our healthcare may need more funding but to reach the levels of our neighbours - whose systems work - it is a small difference. Do you really believe that if income tax was raised 1-2% and this given to the NHS suddenly it would work? That people would be seeing GPs same day with no issue, seeing specialists usually in less than a week? That suddenly our health outcomes would equal theirs?

If not, then clearly funding is not the only (or indeed main) problem.

Don't forget that Gordon Brown already increased NI to "fix the NHS once and for all".

Farcical.

izimbra
there was an international banking crash in 2008 - note 'international'

We've just had a global pandemic - and this forecast from 2009 sounds familiar to more recent ones;

January 2009
Britain's economy will be the hardest hit in the developed world in what is expected to be the "deepest recession since the second world war," the International Monetary Fund said...

www.theguardian.com/business/2009/jan/28/ilo-global-unemployment-to-soar

the economy was already on the mend when the Tories took over and trashed things with an unnecessarily harsh and ill advised approach to austerity

This is odd then?

25 March 2010
Alistair Darling admitted that Labour's planned cuts in public spending will be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s, as the country's leading experts on tax and spending warned that Britain faces "two parliaments of pain" to repair the black hole in the state's finances.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said hefty tax rises and Whitehall spending cuts of 25% were in prospect during the six-year squeeze lasting until 2017 that would follow the chancellor's "treading water" budget

www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

@fiftiesmum

what planet are you on? You can’t BE those things right now in 2022. So yeah it sucks either way.

Sadly. This will continue. It's been happening for years. I left the hospital 8 years ago and it was common to see 8+ ambulances at A&e but no one reported on it . Various a&e's have been closed over the years since the Tories came into power but again, no one bothered. This was apparently due to centralising care and also due to staffing? Again nothing has improved
The population isn't getting smaller. Are there any hospitals being built or reopening in the country. There isn't any near me?
Nurses and NHS staff have been condemned for a pay rise but it's quite frankly absolute shit!
you are made responsible for human life! Why is a junior doctor on less than a deputy manger of McDonalds? It's not right!
imagine dropping your 3 year old off at nursery and being told there is no teacher but don't worry someone in the next class will keep an eye on things! This is what is going on! It will get worse!!!

Our trust has just put out a message saying there isn’t enough room in the waiting room and only someone can accompany if needed for care so they can monitor patients and you might be seen in another area of the hospital not designed for that purpose. That they are as high admission for covid and flu and a lot of staff off sick as well because of this.

but people will complain doctors and nurses on much needed days off should give up their one day off a week and volunteer to work for free.

You know in the US it costs like £600 for an epipen and £150 for a standard blue inhaler for asthma? That the rescue workers with 911 cried when taken to Cuba to buy their inhalers for £5 each? The actual cost not the probate mark up in the the US private system.