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The state of the NHS laid bare in one video... Pinderfields General Hospital, Wakefield, West Yorkshire

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PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 20:55

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Video posted outside Pinderfields General Hospital a couple of hours ago. No capacity in resus areas, no trollies to offload patients from ambulances. Which in turn means people in the community waiting hours and hours for emergency 999 calls.

People say health care professionals went into the job knowing what they was getting into.. not one nurse I know (or Dr or paramedic or HCA) went into their job knowing this would be their reality. This is why people are leaving, why people are striking. Its not just about pay, its about working conditions. Pay does play a part admittedly, the pay doesn't marry up with the level of responsibility, the level of stress, the level of upset caused by knowing you're going home after knowing not one patient has had your absolute best all day.. because its impossible to achieve.

This is the reality of the NHS 💔

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PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 21:45

SequinsandStilettos · 28/12/2022 21:42

no trollies to offload patients from ambulances.
Am I being thick as?
I thought those ambulances were empty/crewless?
Is the footage not showing when paramedics were striking?

No, them Paramedic crews are inside with their patients unable to leave them as there is no where for them to offload to.

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kateclarke · 28/12/2022 21:45

@SequinsandStilettos no they are waiting to hand over the patient to the hospital staff.

Stopclutchingpearls · 28/12/2022 21:47

This is my go to hospital and wow. I will say I have been blue lighted before and it’s really not normally like this I was in hospital here three times Jan twice this year and March and was put there by ambulance from another local hospital as if you need a bed you get taken here .
yes it was busy but not like this , it’s really bad to see this but normally I have been treated very well at this hospital

SequinsandStilettos · 28/12/2022 21:47

Thanks for confirming.

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:55

It’s nothing short of a tragedy that the general public have 0 interest in where the money comes from and spout nonsense like ‘find NHS properly’. With what? The pennies from down he back of your sofa or shall we just tell this government to print a few trillion more pounds and send the country in a worse inflation death spiral.

It’s such a shame that when curtain twitchers, on this very site I might add, were flaming their neighbours for going on the second walk of the day in 2020, they didn’t stop to engage their brains on how healthy adults were being paid to sit at home and watch Netflix.

It’s such a shame that when all this money being printed no one questioned what happens in socialist states. That our corrupt socialist government was giving our money to their friends while throwing a few scraps to healthy adults so they didn’t ‘kill granny’ by going to work.

That’s before you go back to the earlier causes of our broken economy when the incompetent Labour government killed the productivity of this country by creating a low wage, low skill economy through tax credits. Working full time became a dirty concept and employers could be sibsidized by the ever dwindling number of net contributors.

The problem is not that NHS doesn’t have enough money. The problem is everything that has gone before now, with the pot boiling over during Covid largesse.

ThreeLocusts · 28/12/2022 21:55

lollipoprainbow · 28/12/2022 21:30

But we can't ever have a proper discussion about this without being seen as racist.

Um, has it ever occurred to you that there are people who leave, too? That people die every year?

I think you'll find if you look at the numbers that the net population growth in the UK is very far below 500,000 a year.

Also, one of the biggest problems of the NHS is 'bed blockers', people who can't leave hospital because of lack of capacity in the social care sector. Guess where the people who'd do the social care jobs used to be recruited from before Brexit?

So yes, blaming the state of the NHS on immigrants IS xenophobic.

Germany has had massive levels of immigration over the last decade and does not have the UK's problems with health care.

Another thing Germany doesn't have: Tories. (The Christian Democrats are choirboys in comparison.)

makingarunforit · 28/12/2022 21:58

MissWired · 28/12/2022 21:27

500000 people a year entering the country, and that's just the official ones.
Has healthcare capacity been considered for all these people?

I think we all know the answer.

^ this is the problem.

Ch3wylemon · 28/12/2022 22:00

Do tell me how the private sector would solve 40,000 + nurse vacancies without it costing more.

Then tell me how the private sector would cope with spending just 2% of its budget on managers? (Sorry to any Daily Mail readers if the facts are inconvenient, by the way).

Let me know how the private sector would manage one third of its ambulances being unavailable - all the time - because they can't unload at hospitals.

And let's have the private sector plans for discharging the elderly with adequate care packages when social care providers THAT ARE ALREADY PRIVATISED are in an even worse state than the NHS?

The private sector is not the answer - it wouldn't touch most of the real NHS problems. Sure it will take the shiny sexy surgery, the tidy bits and the one stop shop bits, but the private sector doesn't like unpredictable patients with complex lives; people with mental health issues, old, frail people with multiple co-morbidities and smelly, confused incontinent people who ruin the corporate image.

salcombebabe · 28/12/2022 22:02

keepaweatheredeye · 28/12/2022 21:19

Stop.

Voting.

Tory.

Absolutely!!!!

Ch3wylemon · 28/12/2022 22:02

And the burden on the NHS is the elderly. Not immigrants FFS.

millymollymoomoo · 28/12/2022 22:04

It’s not underfunded
its highly over consumed
its inefficient and wasteful

it should have major overhaul and a level of privatisation as well as some things simply not being free on nhs

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 22:05

salcombebabe · 28/12/2022 22:02

Absolutely!!!!

The Tories are toast anyway. The burnt kind that sets off your smoke alarm.

But you are about to be disappointed by the next set of idiots that are waiting in the wings. We will be trading a set of corrupt socialists with incompetents ones at the next GE.

lollipoprainbow · 28/12/2022 22:05

Ch3wylemon · 28/12/2022 22:02

And the burden on the NHS is the elderly. Not immigrants FFS.

Wondered when this would pop up.

Bestcatmum · 28/12/2022 22:09

I've been working 6 days a week for months to get the waiting lists down for new patients to be seen. I'm in my 60's and don't know how much longer I can do it.
people with really serious problems are having appointments taken from them i.e being seen every 3 weeks instead of every week.
I often see people in my lunch break because I am scared they will die if they are not seen.
Yes the tories are shit but also people need to start taking responsibility for their own health, the majority of my lot are sick because they smoke, drink too much and are obese and have medical problems directly to do with their lifestyle. We simply cannot afford not to care for ourselves any more because there are no resources left for those that do not.
We are fire fighting every single day.

Crikeyalmighty · 28/12/2022 22:11

@NameChagaiiiin Had a similar experience at Wexham park (slough) - it covers far too big an area- Wycombe, marlow, Slough, Maidenhead, windsor etc plus all surrounding areas.

I found it terrifying and we have since moved back to Bath- had to use A&E and it was like chalk and cheese- hectic yes-but clean and better managed. I honestly think people are getting a complete lottery of care at the moment within NHS , depending where you live - the GP practice is far better too here.

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 22:11

lollipoprainbow · 28/12/2022 22:05

Wondered when this would pop up.

Honestly it doesn’t matter who uses it. We need immigrants. And the elderly have a higher life expectancy than 70 years, that’s just a fact.

we really need a sensible debate. The problem is not the number of type of user. The problem is that our governments for the last 25 years hav ended the coffers dry rather than planning for the future. NHS is not the only example. Energy production and storage, automation, reducing dependency on welfare, building homes. Let’s not make this about one issue.

Crikeyalmighty · 28/12/2022 22:14

And I'm not blaming the staff either at wexham park- just far too wide an area covered , a tiny car park for size of hospital and what seemed a ton of feral people thronging the place and treating it like they were at Maccy Ds

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 28/12/2022 22:14

keepaweatheredeye · 28/12/2022 21:19

Stop.

Voting.

Tory.

This!!

Crikeyalmighty · 28/12/2022 22:15

@sst1234 absolutely. It's poor long term planning

TheGirlWhoTamedTheDragon · 28/12/2022 22:17

Agree with @sst1234. Add to that the shambles in education, infrastructure, lack of long term planning for food security as well as energy security. Same for transport, water management... there has been no long-term planning whatsoever for anything and we now reap the rewards of that, such as they are.

It's not like geopoliticial instability was unpredictable. Putin's intentions were made clear as day in 2014. Demographic changes and population shifts were not just predictable but a certainty. There is no excuse for being unprepared for any of it. Then to top it off, there was the suicide note called Brexit.

Grumpybutfunny · 28/12/2022 22:17

Is it not time the escalation tents came out, we need the crews on the road not waiting at hospitals to off load. We also need to solve the staffing crisis but at the minute it seems this is falling to ambulance service who are a lot lower paid than medics in a&e.

Ch3wylemon · 28/12/2022 22:17

It isn't a case of popping up it's the truth. We have an ageing population. People who have lived and worked here all their lives need care when they get old and deserve to be cared for safely and with compassion and dignity. They are not receiving that care because there are not enough staff or beds.

Immigrants are net contributors - both to the workforce and to the costs - and low users of services. Or at least they were until many left.

roarfeckingroarr · 28/12/2022 22:19

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:55

It’s nothing short of a tragedy that the general public have 0 interest in where the money comes from and spout nonsense like ‘find NHS properly’. With what? The pennies from down he back of your sofa or shall we just tell this government to print a few trillion more pounds and send the country in a worse inflation death spiral.

It’s such a shame that when curtain twitchers, on this very site I might add, were flaming their neighbours for going on the second walk of the day in 2020, they didn’t stop to engage their brains on how healthy adults were being paid to sit at home and watch Netflix.

It’s such a shame that when all this money being printed no one questioned what happens in socialist states. That our corrupt socialist government was giving our money to their friends while throwing a few scraps to healthy adults so they didn’t ‘kill granny’ by going to work.

That’s before you go back to the earlier causes of our broken economy when the incompetent Labour government killed the productivity of this country by creating a low wage, low skill economy through tax credits. Working full time became a dirty concept and employers could be sibsidized by the ever dwindling number of net contributors.

The problem is not that NHS doesn’t have enough money. The problem is everything that has gone before now, with the pot boiling over during Covid largesse.

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HelloDaisy · 28/12/2022 22:30

PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 21:14

When will the government do something significant to help? I fear its a long term plan by the current government to underfund the system so they can continue to privatise.. continue being the important word, because it is happening behind the scenes.

Exactly this! They have slowly and quietly been privatising parts of the nhs and this is the final push to say it’s not working and needs to be changed…

maddiemookins16mum · 28/12/2022 22:34

MissWired · 28/12/2022 21:27

500000 people a year entering the country, and that's just the official ones.
Has healthcare capacity been considered for all these people?

I think we all know the answer.

Nope it hasn’t. But you can’t say it on here.

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