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The state of the NHS laid bare in one video... Pinderfields General Hospital, Wakefield, West Yorkshire

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PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 20:55

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Video posted outside Pinderfields General Hospital a couple of hours ago. No capacity in resus areas, no trollies to offload patients from ambulances. Which in turn means people in the community waiting hours and hours for emergency 999 calls.

People say health care professionals went into the job knowing what they was getting into.. not one nurse I know (or Dr or paramedic or HCA) went into their job knowing this would be their reality. This is why people are leaving, why people are striking. Its not just about pay, its about working conditions. Pay does play a part admittedly, the pay doesn't marry up with the level of responsibility, the level of stress, the level of upset caused by knowing you're going home after knowing not one patient has had your absolute best all day.. because its impossible to achieve.

This is the reality of the NHS 💔

OP posts:
NotMeNoNo · 28/12/2022 22:41

The bottom line is that the demand on the NHS and adult social care has risen faster than available funding, people are living longer and with complex health issues (often lifestyle related). Essentially it's a victim of it's own success in keeping people alive.

Also one in six hospital beds is currently occupied by a person waiting for discharge to social care. The a&e situation is the symptom not the cause.

Livelovebehappy · 28/12/2022 22:42

Ch3wylemon · 28/12/2022 22:02

And the burden on the NHS is the elderly. Not immigrants FFS.

Have you been to A&E recently?

Clevs · 28/12/2022 22:43

I work as a paramedic. At my local hospital it is a daily occurrence to have 20+ ambulances queuing outside for hours at a time. A few examples from the last four days when I have been on shift:

One patient I attended had called 24 hours previously before we got to her.

Another patient waited 9 hours for an ambulance and 12+ hours in the back of the ambulance waiting get into A&E. That's an entire day before she's even been seen.

Another patient we actually got to quite quickly (1.5 hours!) who I took in to hospital at the end of my shift. We got relieved by a night crew so we could go home and they had him on board for the entire 12 hour shift. When I booked on duty the following morning we went straight up the hospital to relieve a night crew and ended up getting the same patient back. We looked after him for a further 3 hours before going in (and that was because we managed to get him into a surgical assessment unit so we could bypass A&E). So that's 15 hours and three ambulances he was in before actually being allowed in the hospital.

All four of my shifts between Christmas Eve and the 27th resulted in either a late or missed meal break and a late finish. I didn't get to see my four year old at all on Christmas Day because I left before he was up and finished late so he was in bed when I got home.😢

Kendodd · 28/12/2022 22:45

We have the health services and public services we deserve OP.
This is what we vote for.
We know Tories underfunded public services, they have NEVER left the NHS in a better state when they leave office than it was in when they came into office.
Why people continue to vote for them, I will never understand, but the English love the Tories more than they love good public services, so, it is what it is.

Kendodd · 28/12/2022 22:48

Livelovebehappy · 28/12/2022 22:42

Have you been to A&E recently?

What been to a&e and seen all the immigrants working there you mean?

Wazzzzzuuuuuuup · 28/12/2022 22:50

Today was the first day I saw ambulance trollies physically queuing out of the front door at the hospital where I work, and privacy screens put up around the queue to stop the general public gawking. Thank god the planned strike had been called off.

Every day is awful in the hospital lately. People think the ambulance service is under capacity, when the reality is they can't unload and get back on the road until the hospital can magic up some beds.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 28/12/2022 22:53

But we need people. Thinking about this in a very numbers way, the young men coming into the country is exactly he kind of low skilled labour we need.

so the ‘young men’ who speak very limited English and are semi literate ( being charitable here) in their own language and script are the solution for a shortage of nurses, radiographers, etc….. okay 😹

Livelovebehappy · 28/12/2022 22:56

The public need to be educated as to when it’s appropriate to use A&E. A lot of people use it like a drop in medical centre when they should be using their GP. Contributing to this is the fact that GPS are still refusing to see patients face to face, and as a result aren’t utilising proper surgeries, not manning phones adequately, etc. The NHS is badly managed, with top heavy management rather than front line nurses. Once upon a time things used to be lead by Matrons, but now we have office managers far removed from the hub of the wards,who don’t have a clue what’s happening most of the time.

MerryChristmasTree · 28/12/2022 22:57

We’ve had children queuing for beds because there aren’t any. We’re completely swamped with patients and haven’t got enough staff to look after them. It’s unmanageable. Colleagues that have worked for years and are so dedicated have had enough. It’s relentless.

Its not just about the money.

SecretDoor · 28/12/2022 22:57

Totally agree - I also work in ED and by far it is the over 75”s that are being brought in by ambulances and admitted. They stay on trolleys for hours getting poor care as it is so busy. One RN and he HCA for 26 patients in the overflow area today. The elderly are all living longer but many are in poor health with multi-morbidities and take massive amounts of prescription drugs.

Poppiesway1 · 28/12/2022 22:57

Bestcatmum · 28/12/2022 22:09

I've been working 6 days a week for months to get the waiting lists down for new patients to be seen. I'm in my 60's and don't know how much longer I can do it.
people with really serious problems are having appointments taken from them i.e being seen every 3 weeks instead of every week.
I often see people in my lunch break because I am scared they will die if they are not seen.
Yes the tories are shit but also people need to start taking responsibility for their own health, the majority of my lot are sick because they smoke, drink too much and are obese and have medical problems directly to do with their lifestyle. We simply cannot afford not to care for ourselves any more because there are no resources left for those that do not.
We are fire fighting every single day.

Same.. Ive been on 6 day weeks for months. I’m shattered. I refused to work extra hours over Christmas. I had 4 very much needed days off to sleep. I started in the nhs over 25years ago.. I knew what I was going into then.. and what I went into is not what I am dealing with now.
We’re all going over and above what we should be doing and still get grief and abuse from patients and their families.
I have a family member who recently waited 17 hours for an ambulance.. unable to attend the local hospital as they were full and closed to ambulances, they taken to a hospital 60 miles away.
I have paramedic friends who have spent all shift in the ambulance bay just waiting to hand over a patient to A&E.. and they are as distraught as we, the staff working inside the hospital are. But the hospitals are now too small for the population they serve, understaffed, and inadequate.

also..

what really doesn’t help staff morale is the people / patients in A&E clapping every time a patient is called from the waiting room in to see staff. Staff have resigned from A&E due to this and treatment they’re receiving from patients. we now have security guards in A&E to stop the abuse on staff.

dontjudgeafish · 28/12/2022 22:59

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:21

When extremists like you OP, jump on the word ‘privatization’ this is what policy makers do - coerce us into reform. Next you’ll be telling us NHS is going to be like the healthcare in the US. There is no in-between for the hystericals and no way of accepting that this system is not fit for the 21st century with the population and demographics. If it was such a great system, successful European countries would be copying us.

Ever considered that the system doesn’t need more money, it needs ripping up and starting again.

Yep

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 23:01

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 28/12/2022 22:53

But we need people. Thinking about this in a very numbers way, the young men coming into the country is exactly he kind of low skilled labour we need.

so the ‘young men’ who speak very limited English and are semi literate ( being charitable here) in their own language and script are the solution for a shortage of nurses, radiographers, etc….. okay 😹

I’m going to hazard a guess that your answer to every problem is that we need to curb immigration. Basically an extreme view, at the other end of the spectrum from the extremists whose solution to a broken system is to pump more money into it and scream ‘privatization’ like they’re onto some big conspiracy.

Illegal Immigrants need to work or be sent back. Not put up in hotels at a cost of £7million a day. We need both unskilled immigrants and skilled ones, since the indigenous population sees full time work as an inconvenience, partly due to the welfare dependency culture created and perpetuated by successive governments in the last 25 years.

But hey, why bother with a bit critical thinking, when you can regurgitate lazy soundbites.

deflatedbirthday · 28/12/2022 23:01

I work here. It's heartbreaking. I feel for all staff at the moment. It is just horrendous

SecretDoor · 28/12/2022 23:01

My message was agreeing with @Ch3wylemon

We rely on fantastic immigrant nursing staff and clinical fellow junior doctors who all work so hard.
Migrants are not the issue in ED in my experience.

Bestcatmum · 28/12/2022 23:05

Poppiesway1 · 28/12/2022 22:57

Same.. Ive been on 6 day weeks for months. I’m shattered. I refused to work extra hours over Christmas. I had 4 very much needed days off to sleep. I started in the nhs over 25years ago.. I knew what I was going into then.. and what I went into is not what I am dealing with now.
We’re all going over and above what we should be doing and still get grief and abuse from patients and their families.
I have a family member who recently waited 17 hours for an ambulance.. unable to attend the local hospital as they were full and closed to ambulances, they taken to a hospital 60 miles away.
I have paramedic friends who have spent all shift in the ambulance bay just waiting to hand over a patient to A&E.. and they are as distraught as we, the staff working inside the hospital are. But the hospitals are now too small for the population they serve, understaffed, and inadequate.

also..

what really doesn’t help staff morale is the people / patients in A&E clapping every time a patient is called from the waiting room in to see staff. Staff have resigned from A&E due to this and treatment they’re receiving from patients. we now have security guards in A&E to stop the abuse on staff.

I've worked in the NHS for 41 years and have NEVER seen it so bad.
Commiserations.

festiveoverwhelm · 28/12/2022 23:07

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:21

When extremists like you OP, jump on the word ‘privatization’ this is what policy makers do - coerce us into reform. Next you’ll be telling us NHS is going to be like the healthcare in the US. There is no in-between for the hystericals and no way of accepting that this system is not fit for the 21st century with the population and demographics. If it was such a great system, successful European countries would be copying us.

Ever considered that the system doesn’t need more money, it needs ripping up and starting again.

100% agree. Such a relief hearing some people talk sense. I sometimes worry we’ve been brainwashed in this country, the NHS is like a cult in the way people talk about it now.

InfluenzalA · 28/12/2022 23:07

SecretDoor · 28/12/2022 23:01

My message was agreeing with @Ch3wylemon

We rely on fantastic immigrant nursing staff and clinical fellow junior doctors who all work so hard.
Migrants are not the issue in ED in my experience.

I've just been in hospital and nearly every single member of nursing staff was fairly newly arrived in the UK. It was lovely hearing their stories of home and how Christmas may be celebrated there or what their nursing background there was...but it struck me that there was no way that ward would be open or running without these international staff. I'm not sure I actually met a nurse who wasn't openly talking about "home" being somewhere other than the UK. So I wouldn't be knocking immigration here ..

Delectable · 28/12/2022 23:10

Govt has got people focused on immigrants. They're stealing jobs. Landlords make rents too expensive for NHS staff. The fact is the RF and more particularly Charles and William own the largest amount of land in this country. They not only don't need it as all their expenses are fully paid for for life; they don't pay any taxes. Yet the government not only keeps going after the commoner trying to make a living, they pitch us against eachother, distract us and program us using the media, asking for higher taxes. Tenants are fighting landlords, socialists want everyone on the same pay etc. We're all paying them and now they say Charles is refusing a slimmed down coronation. Ofcourse he is and makes sure his brother Andrew is well taken care of with tax payers money. This is a man who can't put toothpaste on his toothbrush nor move paper away from his desk. He has servants who dress him, drive him, cook, clean etc. Yet he needs more to be spent on him but we can't afford to pay nurses or heat our homes!

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 23:12

Delectable · 28/12/2022 23:10

Govt has got people focused on immigrants. They're stealing jobs. Landlords make rents too expensive for NHS staff. The fact is the RF and more particularly Charles and William own the largest amount of land in this country. They not only don't need it as all their expenses are fully paid for for life; they don't pay any taxes. Yet the government not only keeps going after the commoner trying to make a living, they pitch us against eachother, distract us and program us using the media, asking for higher taxes. Tenants are fighting landlords, socialists want everyone on the same pay etc. We're all paying them and now they say Charles is refusing a slimmed down coronation. Ofcourse he is and makes sure his brother Andrew is well taken care of with tax payers money. This is a man who can't put toothpaste on his toothbrush nor move paper away from his desk. He has servants who dress him, drive him, cook, clean etc. Yet he needs more to be spent on him but we can't afford to pay nurses or heat our homes!

I think you’re on the wrong thread. This one is about the NHS. Not republicanism.

JoyBeorge · 28/12/2022 23:16

It almost feels like they are running the system we do have down so much that private health care will seem like the better option.

Ch3wylemon · 28/12/2022 23:20

Ch3wylemon
And the burden on the NHS is the elderly. Not immigrants FFS.

Have you been to A&E recently?

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iswintercoming · 28/12/2022 23:25

We need proper funding at an education and training level to encourage more people to train as nurses / medical professionals.

We need more hospitals and clinics to actually be built, in order to serve the growing population.

We don’t need the Tory’s.

Nat6999 · 28/12/2022 23:33

NameChagaiiiin ask to be referred choose & book to your nearest private hospital, I don't blame you for not wanting to go back.

Summerfun54321 · 28/12/2022 23:42

We need a new government to fix this mess, the tories just don't give enough shit about average people.