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The state of the NHS laid bare in one video... Pinderfields General Hospital, Wakefield, West Yorkshire

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PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 20:55

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Video posted outside Pinderfields General Hospital a couple of hours ago. No capacity in resus areas, no trollies to offload patients from ambulances. Which in turn means people in the community waiting hours and hours for emergency 999 calls.

People say health care professionals went into the job knowing what they was getting into.. not one nurse I know (or Dr or paramedic or HCA) went into their job knowing this would be their reality. This is why people are leaving, why people are striking. Its not just about pay, its about working conditions. Pay does play a part admittedly, the pay doesn't marry up with the level of responsibility, the level of stress, the level of upset caused by knowing you're going home after knowing not one patient has had your absolute best all day.. because its impossible to achieve.

This is the reality of the NHS 💔

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LynetteScavo · 28/12/2022 21:02

Yes, it's like this every day at the hospital I have been visiting every day for the past three weeks. My relative had a short wait in the ambulance, before going into A&E, the lady she is now next to in hospital had a 10 hour wait. That is 10 hours an ambulance and paramedics could have been seeing other patients.

I cannot tell you how hard the staff in A&E we're working. I certainly couldn't keep up that pace for 8 hours.

Igotjelly · 28/12/2022 21:06

Yes it’s shocking. DSis is a nurser and broke down in tears today speaking about doing CPR on a 15 year old kid in the corridor due to lack of space meaning seriously ill people are laying on trolleys. It’s horrific.

Igotjelly · 28/12/2022 21:06

She’s a strong woman and she’s just broken, as are her colleagues.

PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 21:14

When will the government do something significant to help? I fear its a long term plan by the current government to underfund the system so they can continue to privatise.. continue being the important word, because it is happening behind the scenes.

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Ch3wylemon · 28/12/2022 21:14

I noticed today Sean Lintern tweeting about various critical incidents. This terrifies me. I've been a nurse since Thatcher was PM and never known it so bad.

Flossiemoss · 28/12/2022 21:18

Ch3wylemon · 28/12/2022 21:14

I noticed today Sean Lintern tweeting about various critical incidents. This terrifies me. I've been a nurse since Thatcher was PM and never known it so bad.

Same. When I started nursing in mid 90s we had patients in corridors but it wasn’t in the same scale as this.
last strike day the local icu had a mandated higher level of staffing than is mandated on a non strike day. If the government mandate a level of staffing for strike days it’s likely to be an improvement on what we’re working with the rest of the time.

keepaweatheredeye · 28/12/2022 21:19

Stop.

Voting.

Tory.

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:21

When extremists like you OP, jump on the word ‘privatization’ this is what policy makers do - coerce us into reform. Next you’ll be telling us NHS is going to be like the healthcare in the US. There is no in-between for the hystericals and no way of accepting that this system is not fit for the 21st century with the population and demographics. If it was such a great system, successful European countries would be copying us.

Ever considered that the system doesn’t need more money, it needs ripping up and starting again.

NameChagaiiiin · 28/12/2022 21:23

I had my daughter here. The lack of care was utterly mind-blowing.

I'm currently on a waitlist for tube tying as the whole experience convinced me I absolutely never want to go through that again.
A&E is terrifying. And it filters to every other hospital department. The government don't care as they don't use the NHS. And why would they, it's not fit for purpose.

PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 21:25

I'm not an extremist, or hysterical. I'm someone who has lived this reality for over 10 years, and I have watched parts of the NHS service be privatised.. its the reality, not hysterics. I didn't suggest we are mirroring the US healthcare system, just that privatisation is happening on some level as services such as eye clinics and radiologists are being outsourced.

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sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:26

This ideological attachment to the NHS killing people. And yes the govt don’t care. They are pushing it towards change by stealth. It’s an absolute tragedy that in this day and age people are dying because of stand off between millions if luddites and our inept government.

Rosamunde · 28/12/2022 21:27

System reform only costs more money and wastes staff time and energy. Given the nhs is pretty efficient compared to other health systems, reform would not help unless it was also accompanied by more money. The NHS costs more every year because the population gets bigger, older and sicker and obviously there is also inflation. In real terms it has been consistently underfunded compared to other European health systems since 2010 and that, combined with the crisis in social care, is the reason for the terrible situation we see now.

MissWired · 28/12/2022 21:27

500000 people a year entering the country, and that's just the official ones.
Has healthcare capacity been considered for all these people?

I think we all know the answer.

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:27

PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 21:25

I'm not an extremist, or hysterical. I'm someone who has lived this reality for over 10 years, and I have watched parts of the NHS service be privatised.. its the reality, not hysterics. I didn't suggest we are mirroring the US healthcare system, just that privatisation is happening on some level as services such as eye clinics and radiologists are being outsourced.

What’s wrong with a degree of privatization? Why do you say it like it’s a conspiracy? Other European countries are a mixed healthcare system, what are they doing when they outsource?

Dogsgottabone · 28/12/2022 21:28

NameChagaiiiin · 28/12/2022 21:23

I had my daughter here. The lack of care was utterly mind-blowing.

I'm currently on a waitlist for tube tying as the whole experience convinced me I absolutely never want to go through that again.
A&E is terrifying. And it filters to every other hospital department. The government don't care as they don't use the NHS. And why would they, it's not fit for purpose.

Everyone has to use the NHS at some point. We have private healthcare but this covers elective healthcare, not emergency or critical. I still see my GP to get a referral to a private consultant and when someone needs cancer referrals they use the TWW to start with, even if they then go private for treatment.

So I expect most Tories have some experience of the NHS.

lollipoprainbow · 28/12/2022 21:30

MissWired · 28/12/2022 21:27

500000 people a year entering the country, and that's just the official ones.
Has healthcare capacity been considered for all these people?

I think we all know the answer.

But we can't ever have a proper discussion about this without being seen as racist.

mumda · 28/12/2022 21:32

So when the ambulances were on strike people didn't overwhelm a&e, but now they are.

Whatever the NHS did last week they need to look at again.

My local police force did some analysis and put people on shifts when crime happened. People got a better service but staff worked crap hours because that's when they're needed.

PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 21:33

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:27

What’s wrong with a degree of privatization? Why do you say it like it’s a conspiracy? Other European countries are a mixed healthcare system, what are they doing when they outsource?

Cost.. the trust I worked for had on call Radiologists who put together CT reports out of hours as needed in emergencies. These images are now sent anywhere in the world, that you need to chase via a 3rd party if there is a delay. Meaning we pay more out of the specialist opinion, more time waiting so bed blocking in a&e, more time of the team chasing results. This is just one small, simple example.

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Bluekerfuffle · 28/12/2022 21:33

If they are paid more, will it solve all the other issues? Not saying they don’t deserve it, but it won’t change anything for anyone else having to use the service.

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:33

lollipoprainbow · 28/12/2022 21:30

But we can't ever have a proper discussion about this without being seen as racist.

But we need people. Thinking about this in a very numbers way, the young men coming into the country is exactly he kind of low skilled labour we need. It’s just a shame that we’re not attracting as many of the high skilled because the government destroyed wages in this country through half a £trillion worth of money printing and failure to invest in highly automated industries. In either case it’s not racist to say that the the population growth makes NHS unsuitable for todays’s society.

It can be true simultaneously that high migration (without planning services) is bad for the country and that we need high migration. It’s just facts.

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:37

Sorry I should correct myself. £1trillion of money printing since 2008. Public services don’t exist in a vacuum. You can either use the proceeds of a highly automated GDP per capita, or print/borrow money. We’ve been doing the latter since 2008. Now the chickens have come home to roost.

SequinsandStilettos · 28/12/2022 21:42

no trollies to offload patients from ambulances.
Am I being thick as?
I thought those ambulances were empty/crewless?
Is the footage not showing when paramedics were striking?

Reugny · 28/12/2022 21:43

PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 28/12/2022 21:14

When will the government do something significant to help? I fear its a long term plan by the current government to underfund the system so they can continue to privatise.. continue being the important word, because it is happening behind the scenes.

How do you privatise a system if all your healthcare staff have retired, gone abroad , or chucked it in to work at Lidl as they earn more money?

My nearest private hospital has had a sign out for the last 2 years trying to recruit staff.

Reugny · 28/12/2022 21:44

sst1234 · 28/12/2022 21:33

But we need people. Thinking about this in a very numbers way, the young men coming into the country is exactly he kind of low skilled labour we need. It’s just a shame that we’re not attracting as many of the high skilled because the government destroyed wages in this country through half a £trillion worth of money printing and failure to invest in highly automated industries. In either case it’s not racist to say that the the population growth makes NHS unsuitable for todays’s society.

It can be true simultaneously that high migration (without planning services) is bad for the country and that we need high migration. It’s just facts.

We need workforce planning particularly in the health service and other areas of the public sector.

We are competing with the rest of the world for skilled and experienced English speaking working age people.