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DS accused of hitting when no one saw

114 replies

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 15:43

First time poster here. My brother is back from the states with his wife and 2 DC (DS 3yrs & DD 2yrs) Haven’t seen them in over 3 years so was excited to catch up. Very close to my brother and get on well enough with SIL.

So they called over this morning for a play date with our 2 DC - similar ages, I have a DS 2 & DD 1. It just didn’t go well at all. My brother and his wife always refer to how smart their older son is.. can write his own name, so good with jigsaws, gives impromptu concerts etc. My mum is always going on about how bright he is and leaves my fella for dust (her words). I had some trepidation about the visit if I’m honest as my DS does not have many words yet and we’ve been relaxed about it but I was nervous of any comparisons.

Anyway to the incident itself. We have a playroom. They were all playing while we sat separately in the kitchen having coffee. I popped my head in frequently to check on them. Cue some loud crying from my brothers boy. We all go in. He’s crying uncontrollably. My brother asks what happened and after a few minutes he says that my DS would not give him the monster truck. My husband directs our DS to a second truck and asks him to give it to his cousin which he does in a kind gentle way that made me proud ( we’re focusing on sharing with our 2 atm). Throughout the course of an hour there were 2 more incidents of crying from same boy. Each time DS was the cause according to his cousin. The second time it was over a toy but not quite sure what happened. They were close to us but not clear. My nephews leg appeared to be stuck in something so my brother went over. I heard him mumbling something about well if he tries to hit you say no! I remember thinking I was looking in that direction and didn’t see anything of that nature happen but let it go. Tbh I just though my brother was getting overly involved and just let kids be kids!

Anyway third crying incident happened. Just my nephew and DS in playroom. I went in, my brother looked at me and said can you handle? I was like of course (handle what!?).. so I lean down gently to nephew and ask is he ok, can he tell me what happened. Can’t talk with cries. Brother comes in and picks him up. Clearly annoyed says he only cries like this when he’s been hit (same cry as not getting the truck, honestly). Wife follows and says the same. Then say we can’t police your children just so our kids can play without getting hurt. Not a mark on him btw. Listen, no one saw the incident I said. We don’t know what happened. If my DS did anything wrong I would step in (I already had with things such as sharing and grabbing and flailing arms near DN - he did hit her. I saw it. He had to apologize).

DS is learning, can be physical, we always step in for what we witness. He’s very good with his own little sister, goes to childcare, not one mention of hitting.

Things got slightly heated with brother and wife and I. I said they’re not perfect parents as we’re all just doing our best. My DS is younger etc. but I’d never let him bully anyone. It just got uncomfortable, I said best to leave the play date, it might be more enjoyable for them and us if they did their own thing (we had originally planned to go for lunch). It definitely escalated quickly but there were already underlying tensions with our different parenting styles. We hugged and admitted we’re all tired, young kids, working though Christmas with no childcare (us) and traveling with small ones (them).

But it’s left a bad taste in my mouth as we don’t see them much at all - AIBU?

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Peashoots · 28/12/2022 15:46

your Brother and his wife seem extremely precious and PFB, but to be honest the whole thing is a storm in a teacup. Three grown adults marching in, interrogating the kids like a whodunnit 😂 I’d have rolled my eyes at them, told them to get a grip and ignored their whining kid and not given much attention to it.

Theunamedcat · 28/12/2022 15:47

Were they left unsupervised? You should have a camera in there because I would have my suspicion about the golden child 😂

Peashoots · 28/12/2022 15:47

I’m very thankful my siblings are laid back and have similar parenting styles. Our kids have grown up together and all get in really well as older teens.

Dacadactyl · 28/12/2022 15:48

God help your brother when his child gets to school if he's carrying on like this to his sister 🙄

biscuitbadger · 28/12/2022 15:48

They're only little, kids this age do hit/snatch etc - no way to know what happened, sounds like a tense atmosphere for you guys.

I think you need to be supervising them tbh.

FairyMarie · 28/12/2022 15:48

kids at this age always want what the other child has. Unless blood is drawn, i would have said - if you cant behave, youll have to play in the room were in

Macaroni46 · 28/12/2022 15:49

Surely after the first incident, you should've all moved into the same room as the DC in order to supervise.
If you leave children of that age unsupervised these things are going to happen. You'll never know what actually happened as you weren't there.
I would suggest you chalk it up to experience anc if your DB raises the matter, say that in future, you all need to be more responsible about watching your kids.

StrawberryWater · 28/12/2022 15:50

Firstly a 3 and a 2 year old shouldn’t be playing unsupervised, especially not if there have been a few arguments.

Secondly, they’re 3 and 2. This is being blown out of all proportion. Just separate them and move on.

Also anyone who spends more time bragging about how cool and clever their kid is (like your brother) rather than actually looking after them is a Billy bullshitter.

mynameiscalypso · 28/12/2022 15:51

I wouldn't leave 4 children under 3 playing together unsupervised especially when they don't know each other well.

Marblessolveeverything · 28/12/2022 15:51

Why were the children not supervised? I can't imagine leaving children that young unsupervised.

Ideally an adult should be there to help them before an incident occurs.

CaptainBarbosa · 28/12/2022 15:51

I'm not sure what the question of unreasonable is?

My son and his male cousin are 8 and 10 they occasionally will still push and shove eachother over things, or rough house play and then it gets a bit "too rough" slam footballs at eachother. They've been like this since they were toddlers.

My 8 year old niece and her 10 year old brother will also argue and push eachother occasionally.

It's kinda what cousins/siblings do to eachother.

Both me and my brother just step in and say "enough, stop it, apologise to eachother" and then within 5 minutes they are playing Lego again. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I mean I would have not let a 2 year old and a 3 year old play unsupervised in another room, toddlers aren't best known for their ability to share, play nice, not bite eachother or punch eachother.

I get why you ended the "play date" after 3 seperate occasions of crying and upset I think it reached its end.

MRex · 28/12/2022 15:53

Like others say, little ones need to be kept an eye on or there will always be bother. They are 2 and 3, they aren't old enough to handle conflict on their own.

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 15:53

Your DS is two… fighting over toys is pretty standard. Especially when they’re his toys.

He literally incapable of bullying anyone. And any adult who would claim he is simply understands nothing about child development.

Your brother and his wife sound like a pair of insufferable dicks. But insufferable dicks who weren’t supervising their small
child, even where they knew he and the other children were struggling with sharing. So they don’t get to pretend they have the parenting high ground.

Tbh, if his wife actually said their son ‘leaves your fella for dust’ on the basis that she’s coached him to write his name… she’s just not very nice and happy to openly be an arsehole.

Don’t worry any more about it.

EsmeeMerlin · 28/12/2022 15:53

I wouldn't worry too much about it, sounds like everyone was tired and we stop playdates after a few hours with the cousins because they start arguing and they are all older than yours. Does sound like they needed more supervision, a 3 and a 2 year old are too young imo to be playing in a room together on their own especially if they don't know each other very well.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 28/12/2022 15:55

I agree with everyone else that the adults should have been in the same room as them rather than leaving four absolutely tiny kids/ toddlers to play alone.

As for the hitting, sounds like the 3 yo didn’t even accuse your 2 yo of hitting him, never mind it being witnessed. Your brother just jumped to that conclusion. Surely if his ds is so “smart” he would have the words to say so?

MelchiorsMistress · 28/12/2022 15:55

Even if the children were fairly close in age it sounds like emotionally and developmentally there is a big difference between them. That’s difficult when they’re so little because they both expect the other to play and communicate the same way they do. It just means they need more support to play together or alongside each other if they’re going to be expected to spend time with each other.

Kindly, I would also listen if the older child is saying they’re being hit. It wouldn’t be unusual for a child with good understanding but few words to use a hit to communicate something. That is not going to be nice for that child or their parents, so I do think you that you need to be on top of it more next time.

PriOn1 · 28/12/2022 15:57

Two and three year olds, unsupervised over three periods of crying and none of the parents thought that perhaps someone should be in there watching them? Pretty sure at that age, I wouldn’t have let mine out of my sight for any length of time in case they ate something or pulled something over on them.

Sounds like there’s some competitive parenting going on, egged on by a pain-in-the-arse grandparent as well.

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 15:57

Thanks both. Very true. We were all very tired! They had only been playing for an hour and just not getting on well at all. We have other cousins similar ages and they can be left alone for long periods of time without supervision but know each other well.

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Schoolchoicesucks · 28/12/2022 15:58

I wouldn't have left them playing in a separate room at those ages. But that's not a criticism of you - there were at least 3 adults there and it seems your dbro and sil were also fine with leaving them alone.

Perhaps stick with outdoor walks/visit to playground/muddy puddle splashing in wellies for the rest of the trip? There's more space and fewer possessions to worry over.

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:00

Oh no we were definitely watching them, they were in front of us for the majority of that hour but once or twice went into the playroom to get more toys. Only a few minutes unsupervised (which in my opinion is ok). Yes there is some competitive parenting going on - I think that’s the root cause here and I have to take some accountability there.

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MichelleScarn · 28/12/2022 16:00

Is your dB used to being the one in charge and wonderful? From the whole post your mums shitty favouritism stuck out to me! If a relative of mine stated the 'leaves them for dust' comment I wouldn't have them around my child!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 28/12/2022 16:02

We have a playroom. They were all playing while we sat separately in the kitchen having coffee. I popped my head in frequently to check on them.

This sounds like they were unsupervised most of the time

Reugny · 28/12/2022 16:03

He probably did hit but he's two and that's what two year olds do.

If the three year old knew him better instead of crying he would have whacked him back as that's what kids do.

So like PP said you need to supervise your kids.

SomethingOriginal2 · 28/12/2022 16:03

Why on earth were they unsupervised?! They're so young, and you're "he's getting too involved, let kids be kids" shit does make me think that your one of those parents that just leaves your kids to run riot and "be kids"/"sort it themselves" .

But I also think it sounds like they're a bit precious and he's a bit of a Prince. Our nephew is the same, he's a bloody genius apparently, amazing at everything, can do no wrong, if we're having a conversation as adults he'll just butt in and chat some shit and his dad is amazed for him like "well he's right. How does he know that?!" It's exhausting.

But you really should have been supervising your 2 year old, obviously.

Stressedmum2017 · 28/12/2022 16:03

Yanbu your brother and sil sound like they are so desperate to look like perfect parents with their perfect child they will do anything to make that apparent include set up non situations making your toddler look bad. They seem pretty pathetic to be honest. All the kids are toddlers at the end of the day they are gonna fall out. Advise them they should work on their ds not being a whingebag.