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DS accused of hitting when no one saw

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WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 15:43

First time poster here. My brother is back from the states with his wife and 2 DC (DS 3yrs & DD 2yrs) Haven’t seen them in over 3 years so was excited to catch up. Very close to my brother and get on well enough with SIL.

So they called over this morning for a play date with our 2 DC - similar ages, I have a DS 2 & DD 1. It just didn’t go well at all. My brother and his wife always refer to how smart their older son is.. can write his own name, so good with jigsaws, gives impromptu concerts etc. My mum is always going on about how bright he is and leaves my fella for dust (her words). I had some trepidation about the visit if I’m honest as my DS does not have many words yet and we’ve been relaxed about it but I was nervous of any comparisons.

Anyway to the incident itself. We have a playroom. They were all playing while we sat separately in the kitchen having coffee. I popped my head in frequently to check on them. Cue some loud crying from my brothers boy. We all go in. He’s crying uncontrollably. My brother asks what happened and after a few minutes he says that my DS would not give him the monster truck. My husband directs our DS to a second truck and asks him to give it to his cousin which he does in a kind gentle way that made me proud ( we’re focusing on sharing with our 2 atm). Throughout the course of an hour there were 2 more incidents of crying from same boy. Each time DS was the cause according to his cousin. The second time it was over a toy but not quite sure what happened. They were close to us but not clear. My nephews leg appeared to be stuck in something so my brother went over. I heard him mumbling something about well if he tries to hit you say no! I remember thinking I was looking in that direction and didn’t see anything of that nature happen but let it go. Tbh I just though my brother was getting overly involved and just let kids be kids!

Anyway third crying incident happened. Just my nephew and DS in playroom. I went in, my brother looked at me and said can you handle? I was like of course (handle what!?).. so I lean down gently to nephew and ask is he ok, can he tell me what happened. Can’t talk with cries. Brother comes in and picks him up. Clearly annoyed says he only cries like this when he’s been hit (same cry as not getting the truck, honestly). Wife follows and says the same. Then say we can’t police your children just so our kids can play without getting hurt. Not a mark on him btw. Listen, no one saw the incident I said. We don’t know what happened. If my DS did anything wrong I would step in (I already had with things such as sharing and grabbing and flailing arms near DN - he did hit her. I saw it. He had to apologize).

DS is learning, can be physical, we always step in for what we witness. He’s very good with his own little sister, goes to childcare, not one mention of hitting.

Things got slightly heated with brother and wife and I. I said they’re not perfect parents as we’re all just doing our best. My DS is younger etc. but I’d never let him bully anyone. It just got uncomfortable, I said best to leave the play date, it might be more enjoyable for them and us if they did their own thing (we had originally planned to go for lunch). It definitely escalated quickly but there were already underlying tensions with our different parenting styles. We hugged and admitted we’re all tired, young kids, working though Christmas with no childcare (us) and traveling with small ones (them).

But it’s left a bad taste in my mouth as we don’t see them much at all - AIBU?

OP posts:
aloris · 28/12/2022 16:54

I think you already got the message that you all should have been supervising more closely but I just wanted to mention a couple of things that stood out to me.

First was your brother making an assumption that your child was at fault, based on no evidence. I would not be ok with that. A more sensible conclusion for him to draw would be something like, "We don't know what happened so let's not blame any one kid but I think someone should be in there supervising directly so we can avoid this happening again." He and his wife skipped that step and went straight to the blamey "just so our kids can play without being hurt." I'm not sure you can really act on it in this situation, but I would just keep it in mind and make sure you have a reasonable response prepared for the next time the "who did what" is ambiguous.

The second is your mother saying that their little boy leaves yours "in the dust." Wow, I would be so offended and hurt if my mother implied my child was inferior like this. If you are a small child, a grandmother who puts you down is not clearly a benefit to you. Your child will hear these things, whether said directly in his hearing, or simply implied, and it could damage his self-confidence. What is your decision about how to deal with this?

Third, thing, when other children come over to play, being forced to share their favorite possessions can make a child feel territorial. So if your child has a favorite toy that you don't want to be broken or that you know he will not be happy to share, then put it away out of sight for the duration of the playdate. This might help your child enact less territorial behavior. I think age 2-3 is not the time to let kids be kids. It's the time to teach basic interpersonal skills. Once they are 6, 8, 10, then you have to draw back and let them work it out a bit, but still giving enough supervision so they aren't acting out dangerous "challenges" that they see online, or aren't bullying each other, etc
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biscuitbadger · 28/12/2022 16:54

Yeah this age we'd have all sat in the same room - not playing with them, would leave them to it as much as poss, but be on hand to intervene if needed. It was more common than not that some kid would hit or snatch or cry!

Bernadinetta · 28/12/2022 16:54

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 16:50

How is that a relevant question?

Because the children should have been supervised and OP didn’t seem to realise that so just trying to frame it on a way to make her realise that children of that age should be supervised

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 16:58

Bernadinetta · 28/12/2022 16:54

Because the children should have been supervised and OP didn’t seem to realise that so just trying to frame it on a way to make her realise that children of that age should be supervised

But it’s an entirely different situation. it’s a ridiculous comparison.

People simply don’t supervise their under 4s constantly at home. They do sometimes have to go to the kitchen to grab something etc.

It wasn’t a brilliant idea to leave the kids playing in another room. And the bouts of fighting were indicative of why.

But it’s not comparable to paid for childcare. Like most of home life.

DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 17:01

@TheYummyPatler I think what the OP said was totally comparable.

These kids don't even know each other so it's not their usual 'home life'.

DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 17:02

Sorry 'PP', not OP.

Bernadinetta · 28/12/2022 17:05

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 16:58

But it’s an entirely different situation. it’s a ridiculous comparison.

People simply don’t supervise their under 4s constantly at home. They do sometimes have to go to the kitchen to grab something etc.

It wasn’t a brilliant idea to leave the kids playing in another room. And the bouts of fighting were indicative of why.

But it’s not comparable to paid for childcare. Like most of home life.

Ok, but they weren’t popping into the kitchen to grab something. The kids were unsupervised long enough for three separate fraught incidents to occur resulting in a family fall out between adults. Which could have been de-escalated, nipped in the bud sooner or even avoided completely if the children were being supervised.
Reflecting on the situation, what would you do differently next time to avoid this outcome?

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 17:06

I don’t agree.

Do you keep an accident book at home? Have someone cover your breaks?

It’s like comparing my domestic kitchen to a commercial one on the basis that I sometimes have people over for dinner.

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 28/12/2022 17:07

Funny how the story's changed now people have said it was negligent to leave them all unattended like you said in your OP Hmm

Lexi868 · 28/12/2022 17:08

You brother and wife are really pampering their son and thinking he's always in the right. Tbh all the kids are super young and they will occasionally hit- it's part of how they learn to manage their emotions. No point blaming a 2 year old for 2 year old behaviour. Just silly. They are being v over the top

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 17:09

Bernadinetta · 28/12/2022 17:05

Ok, but they weren’t popping into the kitchen to grab something. The kids were unsupervised long enough for three separate fraught incidents to occur resulting in a family fall out between adults. Which could have been de-escalated, nipped in the bud sooner or even avoided completely if the children were being supervised.
Reflecting on the situation, what would you do differently next time to avoid this outcome?

I think the OP has already reflected that having the kids in the room with the adults is a good idea.

I wasn’t saying leaving small children unsupervised was a good idea.

I was commenting that the nursery comparison is not reasonable. Nor does it illustrate anything useful.

The simple fact that toddlers need help with social activities is reason enough to make sure you supervise them on play dates. And still accept they’ll get into scrapes anyway.

DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 17:11

Far from 'reflected', she changed the story to mostly deny it.

DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 17:14

And actually more worrying than the story in her OP that she then changed, the she later wrote...

They had only been playing for an hour and just not getting on well at all. We have other cousins similar ages and they can be left alone for long periods of time without supervision but know each other well.

She's openly admitting to leaving her 2 year old and 1 year old to play unsupervised for 'long periods of time'.

Why would any parent need telling that this is not a good idea?

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 17:15

@aloris all fantastic points and food for thought.. I’m so happy I posted this just to get this alone! Yes that’s how it played out.. straight to conclusions and straight to emotional reactions for all of us rather than realizing our parenting approach was not working! Mine in particular because your point on my DS being territorial really stood out. Nail on head!

Regarding my mum, yes I need to address this and will. Boundaries will be put in place.

OP posts:
TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 17:16

She said: ‘Honestly more supervision is what I’m hearing and taking on board here!’

Lexi868 · 28/12/2022 17:19

No point berating the poor woman anymore about supervision- OP has taken it on board and clearly loves her kids and is accepting the advice so no beed to crucify her over it. You live and learn

Lexi868 · 28/12/2022 17:20

*need

DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 17:20

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 17:16

She said: ‘Honestly more supervision is what I’m hearing and taking on board here!’

Her post at 16.29 has her completely back-peddling and changing the story though.

If she was really reflecting, she wouldn't feel the need to do that.

Sometimeswinning · 28/12/2022 17:21

Throughout the years I've had playdates where children of the same age go off into the playroom to play. Me and their parents often end up in the kitchen sipping our coffees.

Usually any disagreements are sorted with a quick chat. I most definitely don't think you were wrong to let them do their own things.

The only thing I think went wrong is these kids don't know each other and your parenting styles are completely different.

Rogue1001MNer · 28/12/2022 17:23

I agree with you, @Lexi868 (and others), but I'd admire the OP a whole lot more if she actually owned it, rather than trying to change the story and brushing it under the carpet.

But I take on board you're exhausted @WakeAwake, so my sympathy to you for that.

Rogue1001MNer · 28/12/2022 17:24

Xpost with @DuplicateUserName

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 17:25

DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 17:20

Her post at 16.29 has her completely back-peddling and changing the story though.

If she was really reflecting, she wouldn't feel the need to do that.

Maybe she’s feeling defensive since people are catastrophising and throwing ‘neglect’ around. So she’s clarifying.

They didn’t send the kids out into the Alaskan wilderness to fend for themselves, they let them wander into the next room to play - and responded quickly when they heard trouble.

There would have been less trouble and her brother wouldn’t have been able to present his child as a helpless victim if there’d been an adult in the room with them, but it’s hardly time to call in social services.

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 28/12/2022 17:25

Lexi868 · 28/12/2022 17:19

No point berating the poor woman anymore about supervision- OP has taken it on board and clearly loves her kids and is accepting the advice so no beed to crucify her over it. You live and learn

It's not the lack of supervision as such, it's more the total change in story that people are taking issue with.

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 28/12/2022 17:27

Maybe she’s feeling defensive since people are catastrophising and throwing ‘neglect’ around. So she’s clarifying.

The story has totally changed, though. Originally they were all left alone with her popping her head in occasionally, then suddenly it was only two who were left unattended and only for a few minutes at a time - they can't both be true, surely?

Lexi868 · 28/12/2022 17:31

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 28/12/2022 17:25

It's not the lack of supervision as such, it's more the total change in story that people are taking issue with.

Sure, I think there was just one post I read where someone was laying into her about neglecting them. I'm not sure the reason for change in stories as such.

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