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DS accused of hitting when no one saw

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WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 15:43

First time poster here. My brother is back from the states with his wife and 2 DC (DS 3yrs & DD 2yrs) Haven’t seen them in over 3 years so was excited to catch up. Very close to my brother and get on well enough with SIL.

So they called over this morning for a play date with our 2 DC - similar ages, I have a DS 2 & DD 1. It just didn’t go well at all. My brother and his wife always refer to how smart their older son is.. can write his own name, so good with jigsaws, gives impromptu concerts etc. My mum is always going on about how bright he is and leaves my fella for dust (her words). I had some trepidation about the visit if I’m honest as my DS does not have many words yet and we’ve been relaxed about it but I was nervous of any comparisons.

Anyway to the incident itself. We have a playroom. They were all playing while we sat separately in the kitchen having coffee. I popped my head in frequently to check on them. Cue some loud crying from my brothers boy. We all go in. He’s crying uncontrollably. My brother asks what happened and after a few minutes he says that my DS would not give him the monster truck. My husband directs our DS to a second truck and asks him to give it to his cousin which he does in a kind gentle way that made me proud ( we’re focusing on sharing with our 2 atm). Throughout the course of an hour there were 2 more incidents of crying from same boy. Each time DS was the cause according to his cousin. The second time it was over a toy but not quite sure what happened. They were close to us but not clear. My nephews leg appeared to be stuck in something so my brother went over. I heard him mumbling something about well if he tries to hit you say no! I remember thinking I was looking in that direction and didn’t see anything of that nature happen but let it go. Tbh I just though my brother was getting overly involved and just let kids be kids!

Anyway third crying incident happened. Just my nephew and DS in playroom. I went in, my brother looked at me and said can you handle? I was like of course (handle what!?).. so I lean down gently to nephew and ask is he ok, can he tell me what happened. Can’t talk with cries. Brother comes in and picks him up. Clearly annoyed says he only cries like this when he’s been hit (same cry as not getting the truck, honestly). Wife follows and says the same. Then say we can’t police your children just so our kids can play without getting hurt. Not a mark on him btw. Listen, no one saw the incident I said. We don’t know what happened. If my DS did anything wrong I would step in (I already had with things such as sharing and grabbing and flailing arms near DN - he did hit her. I saw it. He had to apologize).

DS is learning, can be physical, we always step in for what we witness. He’s very good with his own little sister, goes to childcare, not one mention of hitting.

Things got slightly heated with brother and wife and I. I said they’re not perfect parents as we’re all just doing our best. My DS is younger etc. but I’d never let him bully anyone. It just got uncomfortable, I said best to leave the play date, it might be more enjoyable for them and us if they did their own thing (we had originally planned to go for lunch). It definitely escalated quickly but there were already underlying tensions with our different parenting styles. We hugged and admitted we’re all tired, young kids, working though Christmas with no childcare (us) and traveling with small ones (them).

But it’s left a bad taste in my mouth as we don’t see them much at all - AIBU?

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TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 16:20

I try to avoid leaving my toddler unsupervised anywhere, even on his own in the next room. Obviously I sometimes have to leave the room briefly, but he’s got an incredible capacity for getting himself into silly situations (being 2).

I would expect tears extremely quickly if I left him and another toddler unsupervised, even for a minute.

Social interaction and sharing are not easy for tiny people. Their methods of getting what they want are often not pretty. 🤣

SomethingOriginal2 · 28/12/2022 16:20

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:12

@Theunamedcat 😂😂 me too! Honestly more supervision is what I’m hearing and taking on board here!

lax parenting - yes, I am slightly lax. No doubt about it. Do parents on here honestly watch their kids on playdates 💯 of the time at that age?! Not even a few mins alone? They had some Christmas Day together with no issues and some minutes alone together like today.

My DS is 19mo, he's a bit ahead though so probably quite a bit like your 2yo. No, I never leave him unattended with another young child. We had a play date with a friend and her 19mo, we both were with them constantly. We had a playdate last week with my 3yo niece, they were supervised constantly by at least one parent and rightly so.

You have to teach kids how to act, they don't just sort things out themselves, you have to teach them to share, or to not snatch, or distract them from toys. Especially with the age gap. The playdate with my niece was much harder than the same aged kid. You really need to be more involved.

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:21

@PeekAtYou right on all counts. Honestly I could have handled this better but I was finding it all a bit exhausting! I will speak to my mum. These are old patterns. She compared all of us growing up. Still does. Her stuff not mine, but I do draw a hard line when it comes to my kids. Like all of us right!?

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WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:22

@SomethingOriginal2 agreed. That’s the takeaway for me on this. Big time.

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WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:24

1 year old was having a nap most of the time and was with me the rest of the time. 2 year old DN with us all of the time too. She walked into the playroom, i accompanied her. The 2 boys who had played together at Christmas alone for a time were the ones who were unsupervised for no longer than 5 mins. However lesson learned on this… more guidance and parenting needed going forward.

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saraclara · 28/12/2022 16:26

I was far from a helicopter parent, but no way would I not supervise four kids aged 1,2 and 3. Three of them are still of the age of putting things in their mouths for starters. I might have dipped in and out with my own kids at 2 and 3, but I knew them backwards and there was never any friction between them. But even then, for no more three or four minutes while I was in the kitchen cooking or something.

PollyPut · 28/12/2022 16:26

Why on earth weren't any of you actually in the room with the children supervising them?

DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 16:26

Who in their right minds leaves a 3 year old, two 2 year olds and a 1 year old in a separate room, while they sit chatting and sipping coffee in another one?

Jesus, are you all mad? 😂

Lesson totally learned I hope. That's not fair at all on the kids.

DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 16:27

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:24

1 year old was having a nap most of the time and was with me the rest of the time. 2 year old DN with us all of the time too. She walked into the playroom, i accompanied her. The 2 boys who had played together at Christmas alone for a time were the ones who were unsupervised for no longer than 5 mins. However lesson learned on this… more guidance and parenting needed going forward.

Oh, a complete change in story 🙄

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:29

@DuplicateUserName not all left unsupervised together. The younger ones with parents, the older boys in playroom unsupervised on 2 separate occasions for a few mins - should have learned my lesson after first incident.

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DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 16:29

They were all playing while we sat separately in the kitchen having coffee.

'All' two of them then...

Bbq1 · 28/12/2022 16:29

So a 1 year old, two 2 year olds and a 3 year old were all left playing in a room unsupervised? While you all sat drinking tea in another room? That sounds very unsafe. The entire issue here has arisen because none of you wanted to supervise your own children. What's worse is the children got upset on multiple occasions and not one of you thought to suggest actually staying with them and watching them...

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 16:30

Was (is) your brother your mum’s favoured child, by any chance? 🤣

Reugny · 28/12/2022 16:31

but I do draw a hard line when it comes to my kids. Like all of us right!?

Yes

Each child is an individual.

Your child isn't behind.

SleepingStandingUp · 28/12/2022 16:31

So there was a 3, 2, 2 and 1 yo playing unsupervised? Honestly I'd be glad this is as bad as it got.

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:31

@DuplicateUserName are you friends with my brother by any chance? Superior trait must be catching. Good on you. Well spotted. You’ve caught me out 🙄

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WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:32

@TheYummyPatler how did you guess 😅😅

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DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 16:34

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:31

@DuplicateUserName are you friends with my brother by any chance? Superior trait must be catching. Good on you. Well spotted. You’ve caught me out 🙄

So any Mumsnetter who can read your constant backtracking, has to be friends with your brother?

He must have a hell of a lot of friends.

Christmas must be a very expensive time for him.

Somuchgoo · 28/12/2022 16:35

I'm going to presume your original story is the accurate one, with 4 very young kids with virtually no supervision, and parents just going in when they heard crying. Your second version is so different and contradictory, and only emerged when you raised everyone was shocked by your negligent parenting and lack of supervision.

The only ones to blame for any children getting upset or hurt in this situation were you parents, and especially you OP and your children's dad, as you were hosting.

And yes, most people do supervise tourists when playing on a playdate. I might pop out of the room briefly, to make a drink, but that's as far I'd go i certainly wouldn't be sitting using in whither room. That's pretty shocking tbh, and the fact you think it's normal makes me concerned.

Bernadinetta · 28/12/2022 16:37

Does your DS go to nursery or a childminder usually (assume so as you say you’ve no childcare over Christmas). If so, would you be happy if an incident occurred there and the staff told you your DS and another child had been unsupervised in another room so no one knew exactly what had happened?

Mariposista · 28/12/2022 16:39

Omg massive PFB alert. Ignore them OP

OnlyFannys · 28/12/2022 16:48

Not meaning to pile on but I am also shocked you would leave young children alone to play in another room. I'm a relaxed parent (verging on very lax 😂) but I wouldnt have left mine alone for any period at that age, as pp said choking risks would worry me or they could get their fingers into sockets etc. Seems like you have accepted the point tho that it's not safe to leave them unsupervised.

Your brother is definitely setting himself up for a whiny, entitled child in the future tbh and all children develop differently. Dd took a while with speech and was close to needing speech therapy but she is bright as a button and way ahead at maths and reading than average currently.

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 16:50

Bernadinetta · 28/12/2022 16:37

Does your DS go to nursery or a childminder usually (assume so as you say you’ve no childcare over Christmas). If so, would you be happy if an incident occurred there and the staff told you your DS and another child had been unsupervised in another room so no one knew exactly what had happened?

How is that a relevant question?

BagOfBollocks · 28/12/2022 16:52

Parents can tell a 'hurt' cry from other cries though.

Your child might or might not have hurt theirs, none of you will ever know because you thought leaving them unsupervised while you all drank your coffee was good parenting.

Spiderboy · 28/12/2022 16:53

They need supervising and you are both at fault for that

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