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DS accused of hitting when no one saw

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WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 15:43

First time poster here. My brother is back from the states with his wife and 2 DC (DS 3yrs & DD 2yrs) Haven’t seen them in over 3 years so was excited to catch up. Very close to my brother and get on well enough with SIL.

So they called over this morning for a play date with our 2 DC - similar ages, I have a DS 2 & DD 1. It just didn’t go well at all. My brother and his wife always refer to how smart their older son is.. can write his own name, so good with jigsaws, gives impromptu concerts etc. My mum is always going on about how bright he is and leaves my fella for dust (her words). I had some trepidation about the visit if I’m honest as my DS does not have many words yet and we’ve been relaxed about it but I was nervous of any comparisons.

Anyway to the incident itself. We have a playroom. They were all playing while we sat separately in the kitchen having coffee. I popped my head in frequently to check on them. Cue some loud crying from my brothers boy. We all go in. He’s crying uncontrollably. My brother asks what happened and after a few minutes he says that my DS would not give him the monster truck. My husband directs our DS to a second truck and asks him to give it to his cousin which he does in a kind gentle way that made me proud ( we’re focusing on sharing with our 2 atm). Throughout the course of an hour there were 2 more incidents of crying from same boy. Each time DS was the cause according to his cousin. The second time it was over a toy but not quite sure what happened. They were close to us but not clear. My nephews leg appeared to be stuck in something so my brother went over. I heard him mumbling something about well if he tries to hit you say no! I remember thinking I was looking in that direction and didn’t see anything of that nature happen but let it go. Tbh I just though my brother was getting overly involved and just let kids be kids!

Anyway third crying incident happened. Just my nephew and DS in playroom. I went in, my brother looked at me and said can you handle? I was like of course (handle what!?).. so I lean down gently to nephew and ask is he ok, can he tell me what happened. Can’t talk with cries. Brother comes in and picks him up. Clearly annoyed says he only cries like this when he’s been hit (same cry as not getting the truck, honestly). Wife follows and says the same. Then say we can’t police your children just so our kids can play without getting hurt. Not a mark on him btw. Listen, no one saw the incident I said. We don’t know what happened. If my DS did anything wrong I would step in (I already had with things such as sharing and grabbing and flailing arms near DN - he did hit her. I saw it. He had to apologize).

DS is learning, can be physical, we always step in for what we witness. He’s very good with his own little sister, goes to childcare, not one mention of hitting.

Things got slightly heated with brother and wife and I. I said they’re not perfect parents as we’re all just doing our best. My DS is younger etc. but I’d never let him bully anyone. It just got uncomfortable, I said best to leave the play date, it might be more enjoyable for them and us if they did their own thing (we had originally planned to go for lunch). It definitely escalated quickly but there were already underlying tensions with our different parenting styles. We hugged and admitted we’re all tired, young kids, working though Christmas with no childcare (us) and traveling with small ones (them).

But it’s left a bad taste in my mouth as we don’t see them much at all - AIBU?

OP posts:
UsingChangeofName · 28/12/2022 17:32

Somuchgoo · 28/12/2022 16:35

I'm going to presume your original story is the accurate one, with 4 very young kids with virtually no supervision, and parents just going in when they heard crying. Your second version is so different and contradictory, and only emerged when you raised everyone was shocked by your negligent parenting and lack of supervision.

The only ones to blame for any children getting upset or hurt in this situation were you parents, and especially you OP and your children's dad, as you were hosting.

And yes, most people do supervise tourists when playing on a playdate. I might pop out of the room briefly, to make a drink, but that's as far I'd go i certainly wouldn't be sitting using in whither room. That's pretty shocking tbh, and the fact you think it's normal makes me concerned.

Have to agree with this.

Do parents on here honestly watch their kids on playdates 💯 of the time at that age?! Not even a few mins alone?

Not when they are 8 or 9, no, but obviously yes when they are 1, 2, 2, and 3
If you are on your own for a few hours, some will nip out to make a drink or whatever, but there were 4 adults there, and there for only an hour.

DuplicateUserName · 28/12/2022 17:33

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 28/12/2022 17:27

Maybe she’s feeling defensive since people are catastrophising and throwing ‘neglect’ around. So she’s clarifying.

The story has totally changed, though. Originally they were all left alone with her popping her head in occasionally, then suddenly it was only two who were left unattended and only for a few minutes at a time - they can't both be true, surely?

Well yes, that and her admittance to leaving her 2 year old and 1 year old to play with similar aged cousins unsupervised, for 'long periods of time'.

If it's never occurred to her not to do that, I doubt this thread will be an epiphany.

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 17:35

Not back peddling at all. Like many have pointed out I hold my hands up here. This is honestly a learning curve for me. I was referring more to the boys than the younger girls in my original post because the incident was about them. But you know what age 2 is too young to be left unsupervised - I hold my hands up to that. There are very astute folks on here who read between the lines, saw the dynamic between myself and my brother, our competitive nature and the relationship with my mum and her attitude to DGC being the real matter. Yes we’re all exhausted too and irritable (like most parents of young kiddos). I explained further because I didn’t think it would become the focus but I appreciate the call out because it was a big part of the problem! So thank you!

OP posts:
LIZS · 28/12/2022 17:35

Someone needs to remain in the playroom at all times to supervise and manage conflict. You are all expecting way too much of their social skills for their ages.

Goldbar · 28/12/2022 17:38

Very few toddlers haven't donked another toddler on the head at some point in their lives. Especially when asked to share their own toys... that's a big ask.

That's why you need to supervise. And your DBro and wife need to grow up and stop acting like toddlers themselves.

hardboiledeggs · 28/12/2022 17:39

Honestly your DB and SIL are in for shock! They need to get a reality check and soon.

catandcoffee · 28/12/2022 17:40

Lucky the boys didn't hit each other on the heads with the trucks,I've experienced this

I'm actually disgusted at the comment your Mother made about her Grandson.... that would really piss me off.

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 28/12/2022 17:42

LIZS · 28/12/2022 17:35

Someone needs to remain in the playroom at all times to supervise and manage conflict. You are all expecting way too much of their social skills for their ages.

100%. OP, you're all very lucky nobody was seriously injured - it takes seconds. Someone needs to be supervising them all the time at those ages.

Lexi868 · 28/12/2022 17:48

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 17:35

Not back peddling at all. Like many have pointed out I hold my hands up here. This is honestly a learning curve for me. I was referring more to the boys than the younger girls in my original post because the incident was about them. But you know what age 2 is too young to be left unsupervised - I hold my hands up to that. There are very astute folks on here who read between the lines, saw the dynamic between myself and my brother, our competitive nature and the relationship with my mum and her attitude to DGC being the real matter. Yes we’re all exhausted too and irritable (like most parents of young kiddos). I explained further because I didn’t think it would become the focus but I appreciate the call out because it was a big part of the problem! So thank you!

So many people would have got defensive and I don't think anyone can fault how gracious you've been about it all.
None of us are perfect all the time and I personally appreciate the accountability taken for your part.
Your brother and wife could have also suggested you all sit where the kids are and observed them: so you are not solely to blame there. Especially as he was the one finding fault in the situation where he thought your son hit his. Again, he is 2 years old and hardly able to control all his actions, without guidance from an adult. Perhaps his anger at your son was a passive aggressive anger towards you and his perception of your lax attitude around it?
Perhaps there are some bigger parenting differences there that are causing more of an issue and it's coming across a bit passive aggressive. Just something to keep in mind x

amonsteronthehill · 28/12/2022 17:52

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 15:53

Your DS is two… fighting over toys is pretty standard. Especially when they’re his toys.

He literally incapable of bullying anyone. And any adult who would claim he is simply understands nothing about child development.

Your brother and his wife sound like a pair of insufferable dicks. But insufferable dicks who weren’t supervising their small
child, even where they knew he and the other children were struggling with sharing. So they don’t get to pretend they have the parenting high ground.

Tbh, if his wife actually said their son ‘leaves your fella for dust’ on the basis that she’s coached him to write his name… she’s just not very nice and happy to openly be an arsehole.

Don’t worry any more about it.

Spot on.

Your brother sounds insufferable.

MumUndone · 28/12/2022 17:58

I would have been more surprised to hear they played without incident TBH

Aprilx · 28/12/2022 17:58

You were being unreasonable as were all the other adults involved. What a load of drama over toddlers squabbling and at least one of you should have been supervising not drinking coffee elsewhere.

SleepingStandingUp · 28/12/2022 18:23

the older boys in playroom unsupervised on 2 separate occasions for a few mins

So on the two occasions they were left alone for a few minutes, they had a fall out over a truck, the nephew got his leg stuck, and there was the alleged hitting (the separate incidents).

Stompythedinosaur · 28/12/2022 18:27

The dc are clearly too young to be unsupervised.

All you can say is "we don't know what happened, let's sit with the dc in future to be sure they are ok".

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