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AIBU?

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DS accused of hitting when no one saw

114 replies

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 15:43

First time poster here. My brother is back from the states with his wife and 2 DC (DS 3yrs & DD 2yrs) Haven’t seen them in over 3 years so was excited to catch up. Very close to my brother and get on well enough with SIL.

So they called over this morning for a play date with our 2 DC - similar ages, I have a DS 2 & DD 1. It just didn’t go well at all. My brother and his wife always refer to how smart their older son is.. can write his own name, so good with jigsaws, gives impromptu concerts etc. My mum is always going on about how bright he is and leaves my fella for dust (her words). I had some trepidation about the visit if I’m honest as my DS does not have many words yet and we’ve been relaxed about it but I was nervous of any comparisons.

Anyway to the incident itself. We have a playroom. They were all playing while we sat separately in the kitchen having coffee. I popped my head in frequently to check on them. Cue some loud crying from my brothers boy. We all go in. He’s crying uncontrollably. My brother asks what happened and after a few minutes he says that my DS would not give him the monster truck. My husband directs our DS to a second truck and asks him to give it to his cousin which he does in a kind gentle way that made me proud ( we’re focusing on sharing with our 2 atm). Throughout the course of an hour there were 2 more incidents of crying from same boy. Each time DS was the cause according to his cousin. The second time it was over a toy but not quite sure what happened. They were close to us but not clear. My nephews leg appeared to be stuck in something so my brother went over. I heard him mumbling something about well if he tries to hit you say no! I remember thinking I was looking in that direction and didn’t see anything of that nature happen but let it go. Tbh I just though my brother was getting overly involved and just let kids be kids!

Anyway third crying incident happened. Just my nephew and DS in playroom. I went in, my brother looked at me and said can you handle? I was like of course (handle what!?).. so I lean down gently to nephew and ask is he ok, can he tell me what happened. Can’t talk with cries. Brother comes in and picks him up. Clearly annoyed says he only cries like this when he’s been hit (same cry as not getting the truck, honestly). Wife follows and says the same. Then say we can’t police your children just so our kids can play without getting hurt. Not a mark on him btw. Listen, no one saw the incident I said. We don’t know what happened. If my DS did anything wrong I would step in (I already had with things such as sharing and grabbing and flailing arms near DN - he did hit her. I saw it. He had to apologize).

DS is learning, can be physical, we always step in for what we witness. He’s very good with his own little sister, goes to childcare, not one mention of hitting.

Things got slightly heated with brother and wife and I. I said they’re not perfect parents as we’re all just doing our best. My DS is younger etc. but I’d never let him bully anyone. It just got uncomfortable, I said best to leave the play date, it might be more enjoyable for them and us if they did their own thing (we had originally planned to go for lunch). It definitely escalated quickly but there were already underlying tensions with our different parenting styles. We hugged and admitted we’re all tired, young kids, working though Christmas with no childcare (us) and traveling with small ones (them).

But it’s left a bad taste in my mouth as we don’t see them much at all - AIBU?

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Hugasauras · 28/12/2022 16:03

Your mum sounds awful. Your brother sounds totally OTT. Some kids just don't play that well together, but that doesn't sound unusual for kids that age anyway. Play dates at that age often involve tears for someone cos sharing is hard and toddlers aren't known for their balanced negotiating skills. That's just part of having young kids really.

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:03

And the 3 year old said he’d been hit AFTER his dad said it. I don’t doubt it may have happened - it was the quick conclusion of it. Tbh hearing the responses I’m thinking that we needed to be in the same room at all times because of the ages and gaps etc. and to help them with the playing together. Don’t get me wrong we were doing that for the majority of the time but there were a few minutes where it didn’t happen and that’s when the ‘incident’ happened.
I think my brother and wife were saying my DS was the cause of it not going well. And look that hurt. I got defensive. We haven’t had issues like this with any other play dates. I’m sure they’ll come up again!

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RealBecca · 28/12/2022 16:04

After the first incident you should all have been supervising more closely. And when he said can you deal with it he meant to talk to your kids and not his. Just let kids be kids smacks of lax parenting to me because your kid wasnt the child crying. Next time just all go out or actually watch the kids. Or go for lunch with your brother and then do family play with the kids all together.

saraclara · 28/12/2022 16:04

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:00

Oh no we were definitely watching them, they were in front of us for the majority of that hour but once or twice went into the playroom to get more toys. Only a few minutes unsupervised (which in my opinion is ok). Yes there is some competitive parenting going on - I think that’s the root cause here and I have to take some accountability there.

Make your mind up, OP

We have a playroom. They were all playing while we sat separately in the kitchen having coffee. I popped my head in frequently to check on them

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:05

Thanks @Hugasauras ! Yes that’s it exactly, I think it’s normal to have tears and struggles over sharing! I’ve learned some lessons with this one definitely.

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UsingChangeofName · 28/12/2022 16:05

They were all playing while we sat separately in the kitchen having coffee.

You lost me at this.
Y were ALL BU thinking you can leave a 3 yr old, 2x 2yr olds and a 1 yr old playing alone while adults sit in a different room with their coffee.

CaptainBarbosa · 28/12/2022 16:05

Look, toddlers fight regardless of their perceived IQ by adults.

I think you all need to chalk this up to a parenting experience.

At least you all know moving forwards to not leave them unattended together all be it for 2 minutes or 20minutes.

It's done now, Brother will return to the US you probably won't see them for another year by which point it's old history and the cousins will be a year older 🤷🏻‍♀️

ClaretBarret · 28/12/2022 16:05

This would have all been avoided if you had all actually parented your children and not left them unattended for so long.

They're incredibly young, you’re lucky it was only a few tears and an accusation of hitting

Peashoots · 28/12/2022 16:06

If your brother carries on like this, you won’t be the only one backing away from play dates, I promise you. 💐

Pascor · 28/12/2022 16:06

We have other cousins similar ages and they can be left alone for long periods of time without supervision but know each other well

No, they can't. They are babies. stop putting them in a different room and then having ridiculous fights about what they do when you aren't bothering to mind them at all.

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:06

@Peashoots 😂😂😂 yes agree! I think we were probably the same emotional age as the toddlers with that!

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Peashoots · 28/12/2022 16:08

@WakeAwake less you though, honestly. Your brothers “my kid is perfect” act will wear very thin very quickly on most people!
your kid is a normal toddler, please don’t stress over this. X

TheYummyPatler · 28/12/2022 16:08

Your brother is going to ensure his son is really whiny about everything. He’s going to regret that at some point. 🤣

Reugny · 28/12/2022 16:09

@SomethingOriginal2 very easy.

After asking you why on the same exact small subject a few times, they then blurt out in the appropriate setting the answer to their "why' question.

Other adults then think they are clever when they are just repeating what they have learnt in the correct context.

My DD does this, and I have looked after nephews and nieces who did this as small children.

RegularNameChangerVersion21 · 28/12/2022 16:09

Kids that age probably need an adult in there with them to be honest - especially if the adults are going to be precious about who has what toy, who pushed whom etc.

It all sounds like toddlers behaving like toddlers, just different temperents colliding. It sounds like their child has a go to reaction to cry in order to get help in social situations he can't handle yet (because he's only 3). e.g. he wants a toy, another child has toy and won't give it up, he doesn't have the emotional maturity to negotiate or wait for toy so he cries until an adult comes and solves it for him. Normal behaviour. Your child also sounds like a normal 3 year old. He's playing with his monster truck, another child wants it and he says no. Maybe he pushed his cousin or maybe he didn't but even if he did it doesn't sound out of the realms of normal 3 year old behaviour when there's another child in his space trying to get at all his toys.

I would have had at least one adult sitting with them to handle these situations before they got out of control.

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:12

@Theunamedcat 😂😂 me too! Honestly more supervision is what I’m hearing and taking on board here!

lax parenting - yes, I am slightly lax. No doubt about it. Do parents on here honestly watch their kids on playdates 💯 of the time at that age?! Not even a few mins alone? They had some Christmas Day together with no issues and some minutes alone together like today.

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TinySaltLick · 28/12/2022 16:15

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:12

@Theunamedcat 😂😂 me too! Honestly more supervision is what I’m hearing and taking on board here!

lax parenting - yes, I am slightly lax. No doubt about it. Do parents on here honestly watch their kids on playdates 💯 of the time at that age?! Not even a few mins alone? They had some Christmas Day together with no issues and some minutes alone together like today.

At that age (eg 2 and 3), yes pretty much the entire time yes. Only takes one minute to choke on something. Entire thing could have been avoided had they not been neglected

The other couple do sound a bit highly strung, I think leaving was a good idea. Try again in 6 months when everyone is a bit older

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:15

@MichelleScarn this is the real issue tbh. It hurts. And my sister just said to me now you know why we don’t get on. He’s superior about everything. I guess I’m only seeing it now because it got personal 😅

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Pascor · 28/12/2022 16:16

Yes, honestly. It's not normal at all to leave babies and toddlers in a different room while the adults sit completely away from them having coffee. It's weird and its dangerous. They are one and two years old, you don't put them in a different room!

ClaretBarret · 28/12/2022 16:16

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:12

@Theunamedcat 😂😂 me too! Honestly more supervision is what I’m hearing and taking on board here!

lax parenting - yes, I am slightly lax. No doubt about it. Do parents on here honestly watch their kids on playdates 💯 of the time at that age?! Not even a few mins alone? They had some Christmas Day together with no issues and some minutes alone together like today.

You left them for over an hour

Thats not a few minutes, and yes with a 1 year old most don’t even do that.

DowntonCrabby · 28/12/2022 16:17

A 3, 2, 2 and 1 year old, all together need to be 100% supervised.

PeekAtYou · 28/12/2022 16:17

After the first incident, the kids should have been separated or more heavily supervised. A group of under 4s were unlikely to play peacefully without supervision. Your kids might be fine playing together but your brother's reaction to the first incident should have round alarm bells at how things might proceed without a change of pace.
Your nephew is going to find himself in difficulty if his dad continues like this. The other kids will keep a wide berth because who wants to get into trouble and the other parents will find toy all too much.
Have you given your mother a piece of your mind ? Her attitude is disgusting and nasty

MichelleScarn · 28/12/2022 16:18

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:15

@MichelleScarn this is the real issue tbh. It hurts. And my sister just said to me now you know why we don’t get on. He’s superior about everything. I guess I’m only seeing it now because it got personal 😅

That's really shit, I'm already envisaging his version of this to your mum!

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:19

@Peashoots thankfully my sisters are super laid back. I have lots of play dates, never had anything like this. It was the last thing I wanted. God knows when we’ll see them again! We’ll still be on good terms but my god do we parent differently!

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CaptainBarbosa · 28/12/2022 16:19

WakeAwake · 28/12/2022 16:12

@Theunamedcat 😂😂 me too! Honestly more supervision is what I’m hearing and taking on board here!

lax parenting - yes, I am slightly lax. No doubt about it. Do parents on here honestly watch their kids on playdates 💯 of the time at that age?! Not even a few mins alone? They had some Christmas Day together with no issues and some minutes alone together like today.

Mine was like Dracula at that age 🧛🏼, he bit everyone 🤣. So yes I had to helicopter parent 😳

He was and is also a only child, so learning to "share" took a bit longer so I had to be there to guide and teach him how to share with others.

He also has ADHD so yeah more supervision required, especially around "risk taking" he had a phase where jumping off the dining room table, off the top of the staircase, climbing into kitchen surfaces was also "fun". To be honest it still is but now you can add the shed roof, the 6ft fences and playground equipment into the mix.

He's also still to this day a little stubborn, a little bossy and a dash of cocky. Were getting there .....🙄 But yes I'm exhausted from basically being on high alert since he learnt to walk at about 11 months old.

One day I'll relax, but not a for a while yet....