Re Ambulance/ nurse strikes

[TheWindIsChanging]

The last thread reached 1000 messages so assume that means it automatically closes any thread so thought I would continue the debate. My view is that it is unreasonable for any person in charge of a person's life to simply down tools regardless of pay issues. I wouldn't disagree pay is too low but so are many jobs yet not all jobs carry the responsibility of saving lives which will be lost during the strikes.
It's no great shock the usual suspects are screaming about the tories again waving tiny fists around red faced incandescent with rage. The reality is increasing wages across the board would lead to an inflation death spiral which happened in the 70s further decreasing quality of life for all of us, not just the NHS workers.
Inflation is the main issue that causes issues with wages, and the reason for this is principally covid lockdowns which ( cue the drumroll) were brought in to protect the useless NHS... the irony that this same "service" is now complaining about economic problems which it helped to instigate is hilarious. I can't remember a single year in the last 20 where it wasn't nearly "bursting at the seems" and given the amount of tax payers money disappearing into it like the metaphorical black hole perhaps time it was scrapped. I don't see these same issues in other countries..a healthcare worker is not a typical profession as the basic goal is to save lives not abandoning ship. As others have said, all very well to type YABU, but I suspect the wind would change quickly if it was a relative who died as a consequence of these disgusting strikes which will cost lives make no mistake about it. That said, the same people raging about the state of the economy were labelling anyone not supporting lockdowns as a " granny killer" which anyone with an IQ over 70 could see would lead to this mess.

Fair point, but I don't think we need " managers" to ensure we have women treating women only problems ( when requested)

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99% of people have high levels of antibodies now regardless of whether they have had a previous infection which suggests the vaccine efficacy does not decrease to zero.

I'd like to see a cancer specialist who was educated and attuned to the variations in patients inherent to their culture and gender, and therefore less likely to miss or dismiss symptoms or risks as a result of ignorance.

In the real world, I don't know if people would agree with me, and I'm quite happy to speak for myself, without raising a phantom chorus of others who I claim would agree with me.

And there's the ignorance about what diversity means in medicine. It is nothing to do with melanin. It is everything to do with understanding how a person's cultural and religious background may impact their ability/willingness to engage with treatment, and how an alternative approach can yield better outcomes for the patient. You really know nothing about this. And using the word 'woke' as a pejorative automatically loses you the argument - it is the last resort of those who have nothing valid to say.

As I understand it the latest Assisted Dying Bill passed both readings, but has failed at Committee Stage in 2021

Thanks for responding earlier, @Warmwesterly - thanks too for posting this, which I wasn't aware of

I'm now even more glad that I have that advance directive in place ...

It’s quite a game of daily mail/conspiracy theorist bingo the OP has going, so far I’ve seen in the daily mail corner-
woke
Useless managers
diversity training a waste of money
obesity is the cause of everything
alcoholics just choose it

and in the conspiracy corner
covid is a hoax
vaccines don’t work
lockdowns weren’t needed

Any more? I’m off for dinner

Have you a link which shows "99% have high levels of antibodies regardless of being previously infected". There would be no way of telling if anti bodies were from infection or contracting covid after nearly 3 years so I don't accept this as a stat. If the vaccine was effective, it wouldn't need countless boosters ad infinitum so as they say, the proof is in the pudding with the pudding being booster number 6 . Each to their own of course, it's a personal decision.

I've never worked in the NHS but I suspect it is no different to working in other parts of the public sector and I can tell you that the idea that a minority of freewheeling spendthrifts with no accountability are the cause of public sector inefficiencies is way off the mark (unless you are referring to our government ministers of course).

The reasons for public sector inefficiencies are as follows:

1. overly bureaucratic processes and a lack of personal autonomy (especially around procurement)
2. lack of investment in up-to-date and comprehensive systems, instead we have a Hodge podge of legacy systems and failed implementations.
3. Senior management being far too obsessed with appearances to government than good operational management.
4. Chronic underresourcing while continuing to commit to ever-increasing workloads for front-line staff.
5. Inability to recruit high quality experienced staff due to low pay.
6. Institutional experience being mistaken for expertise.

None of these things are " conspiracy theories". Some are facts and some are opinions based on facts.. typing about daily fails and flouncing off doesn't change it. Questioning ridiculous policies isn't a " conspiracy theory"..incidentally I've never said covid was a hoax so don't be disingenuous with your lies like the population poster earlier.

We live in society that has one of the worst levels of social mobility in the western world. Your sample size of two is hardly convincing here. There are countless studies that show that your experience is very unusual and I suspect that perhaps some of your colleagues are lying to you about their backgrounds. Plenty have done so to me.

Again this is more rubbish. Religion and culture are secondary to treating people for medical emergencies which the NHS is for- it isn't a church extension. There are people having cancer treatments delayed due to understaffed departments which trumps someone who has " religious issues" with treatment I'm afraid.

Why start another thread? You obviously have a rigid view that people who can potentially save your life should do it for love not money! As any sane person realises who has bills to pay that isn't feasible.

How would a cancer specialist in a hospital educated in "cultures" be superior to one that isn't who was in a hospital presented with the same symptoms?

I don't think you have much understanding of addiction.

I have started 1 thread, this one. I haven't started any other threads

You forgot
" people will die, the evil nurses are just walking out"
But of course they won't because nurses aren't just walking out.

This link shows that 99% of people in all age groups have antibodies. Obviously, there's no way of telling how much is from infection and how much is from vaccine but many people I know have never experienced symptomatic covid infection including my parents who are in their 80s. Either they haven't caught it or they did and didn't get symptoms which suggests the vaccine worked.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/antibodies

I agree with you OP.

Well said.

I’d have thought analysis of underperformance and turning a business around are highly pertinent to the NHS. That is, after all, why it regularly pays through the nose for the services of the Big 4. Better and cheaper surely to train its own staff?

@TheWindIsChanging well, for a start a cancer specialist who had an understandingx of different cultures would be aware that late help seeking is more likely in particular ethnic groups (because they tend to turn to traditional forms of medicine as a first resort) and so they will be able to anticipate that someone's disease is more likely to be advanced. They will also understand that people from some cultures, backgrounds and age brackets are more likely to minimise their symptoms, and adjust their diagnostic process accordingly.

This is all aside from the mental health example I posted earlier, which you have ignored because of course you did. It's not all about cancer by a long shot.

I'm laughing at your comments about "wokeness" being the problem, because it is laughable.

You think diversity doesn't matter because you are privileged not to suffer when there is a lack of diversity.

But what exactly are you hoping for from this thread that wasn't discussed in the last one which had a 1000 posts? You don't agree. So what!

Ty for the link but you stated " 99% of people have high levels of antibodies now regardless of whether they have had a previous infection which suggests the vaccine efficacy does not decrease to zero."

As the link doesn't distinguish between natural infection and any vaccine acquired immunity, given over 90% of the population have caught covid, this stat of 99% having anti bodies means nothing. The vast majority have caught covid and have natural immunity. I'm pleased to hear your parents are ok, but it's anecdotal evidence, many people I know have not had covid and are unvaccinated so it tells us nothing.