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(i know i probably am) To be disapointed that whilst at my local shopping parade all around me were foreign.

547 replies

MAMAZON · 02/02/2008 21:12

I don't want to start a UCM type thread but it just struck me how prety much everyone i saw at the shops earlier was foreign.

no one seemed to be speaking English at all.

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mamadiva · 21/08/2008 16:29

PMSL at mrsmattie!!!

Shorty you called her Alexander twice.

CaptainFabioHiltsTheCoolerCat · 21/08/2008 16:29

lol MrsMattie

VictorianSqualor · 21/08/2008 16:29

You called her Alexander, every time.
Surely with all your fabulous exam results you know Alexander is a man's name.

almostblue · 21/08/2008 16:30

"Also another example is the government wanting to build a multi million pound mosque so that when people fly over for 2012 it will be the biggest landmark in London which they will be able to see?????? WTF is that about?"

It's about some nasty, pathetic little bigot in his bedroom deciding to use the internet to spread divisive, dangerous lies dressed up as 'news', Shorty.

I strongly advise you to learn to question your sources; you might find adding snopes.com to your favourites a good starting point.

MrsMattie · 21/08/2008 16:31

I totally agree@cestlavie. The left has lost it's balls, in my humble opinion, and immigration is one of the issues where it is glaringly obvious. But that is a whole other debate!

Shorty84 · 21/08/2008 16:32

Type in 2012 mosque in google, it should come up as there was a petition set up against it!

WilyWombat · 21/08/2008 16:32

I do think our attitude to immigration is influenced by our personal circumstances, although I am close to a culturally diverse town I still live in an area which is not really affected by immigration on a day to day basis.

I had a friend who waited for a Housing association home for years because she was not considered desperate enough i.e. she and her DC had shared access to a garden and a sofa to sleep on. I guess if I were her and I saw a family who had chosen to move to the UK where they had no home being allocated a house over me then I would see red. I dont think the immigrants are to blame for this though they are just trying to do the best for their families.

MrsMattie · 21/08/2008 16:33

Oh yeh. I remember that 'petition'. I deleted the 'friend' who emailed it to me.

mamadiva · 21/08/2008 16:35

She is right. The muslims set up a petition against it. It's on timesonline.

mamadiva · 21/08/2008 16:36

Didn't mean to say the muslims so negatively there IYKWIM. It just looks harsh like that

the muslim community.

almostblue · 21/08/2008 16:38

Oh right, Shorty. It comes up when you google it, therefore it is true.

This is why I think use of google should only be permitted with a licence...

"Emails whipping up communal hatred to influence Evening Standard online poll
4-4-2007 214

The Mayor of London today revealed an organised email campaign around an online poll being conducted by the Evening Standard aimed at stirring up communal hatred by spreading entirely false statements about plans for a new mosque in East London. These included a totally untrue claim that the Mayor was planning to spend £100 million of public money on the mosque when there are no plans to spend any public money at all on the mosque.

The campaign was sparked by an online poll in the Evening Standard reprinting an article from last September asking people to vote for whether or not they were in favour of the "£100 million mosque". In fact, as reports in other newspapers have made clear, there are no plans for a mosque on this scale.

Following this the Mayor's Office was alerted to a series of emails being sent out to large numbers of recipients making a series of false claims about the mosque proposals in such a way as to stir up communal hatred. These read:

"Don't know if you have heard about this but Ken Livingstone is planning to use tax payer's money to build an enormous mosque costing an estimated 100M in the docklands. What do you think about it? Wouldn't it be better to spend the money on a new hospital or improved transport facilities?? BIGGER THAN ST PAULS!!! The plan is for the mosque to be so big that people flying in from all over the world for the 2012 Olympics will it see it as the biggest landmark in London , bigger than St Pauls, Westminster Abbey or Wembley Stadium

Take a second to cast your vote in The Evening Standard on-line poll to determine public opinion about whether a mega mosque should be built for the Olympics.

The vote so far is 57 % in favour. It looks like the Muslim community is casting its vote in droves, and as usual the Christians are burying their heads in the sand....

After voting, forward this to as many people as you can. Here's the link:"

One of the emails used to circulate this was from a work address at Jaguar Cars.

Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone said:

`The allegations in these emails are clearly designed to deliberately whip up communal hatred and contain content that is entirely untrue. They are clearly being spread in an organised way for unscrupulous political reasons.

`Factually there is no proposal to use any public money at all for such a mosque; there is no link between plans for a mosque and the Olympics; and, as widely reported, there are actually no plans for a mosque on the scale claimed in the email.

`This email campaign is a disgrace and should be clearly condemned as such. Besides the lies it is spreading for political purposes it aims to stir up hatred between Muslims and non-Muslims?.

The Mayor has written today to Veronica Wadley, Editor of the Evening Standard, asking her to clarify that the paper repudiates the content of the mass email, and asking the Standard to clarify to readers and visitors to the website that the poll will be disregarded as totally unrepresentative.

It has also emerged today that similar false claims about the mosque relating to the online poll are being promoted by the British National Party on their website, describing it as 'the biggest symbol so far of the Islamic colonisation of England' and urging readers to 'Please go to the Standard website and add your own 'No' vote. And please forward this email on to everyone in your address book."

WilyWombat · 21/08/2008 16:38

no usually when someone is saying it in a derogative manner they spellit moslem

VictorianSqualor · 21/08/2008 16:39

She's right She had to be sooner or later, just a pity she didn't see why the Muslims were against it.

WilyWombat · 21/08/2008 16:40

spell it moslem even

almostblue · 21/08/2008 16:41

(sorry to distract from the genuine debate there - which, thanks to cestlavie et al, had just started to get constructive...)

Shorty84 · 21/08/2008 16:45

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1505154/There-is-no-room-for-Christmas-at-multi-faith-school.html This will tell u about one school that has banned Christmas. Just to point out none of my local schools allow the christmas Celebration!

TenaciousG · 21/08/2008 16:46

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Shorty84 · 21/08/2008 16:47

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1504822/School-ban-on-girl-wearing-cross-discriminatory.html

One rule for them another for us! End of and people wonder why there is racial hatred I do believe the goverment cause alot of it so do the papers but these events are happening everyday!

CaptainFabioHiltsTheCoolerCat · 21/08/2008 16:49

'them and us'

define, please, shorty?

white folks and forrins?

hercules1 · 21/08/2008 16:49

THe sad thing is that people don't want to read about anything positive so people read the papers and assume it's all negative.

WilyWombat · 21/08/2008 16:49

But someone who choses to move to the UK has effectively made themselves homeless havent they?

WilyWombat · 21/08/2008 16:51

Asylum is a another whole issue - I dont know about housing policies would they differentiate between someone seeking asylum and someone who is homeless due to economic migration?

almostblue · 21/08/2008 16:51

You are absolutely right, Shorty. I see it now. The two earth-shattering stories you have linked to are in themselves definitive proof that 'they' are given preferential treatment over 'us'.

And saying 'end of' makes it official.

cestlavie · 21/08/2008 16:52

...and then of course there's the halfwits like Shorty that no amount of understanding can help...

Anyways, TenaciousG - yes, sure, from a broader perspective you're absolutely right. The point is that if you're the British family next door (like VS) with three kids sleeping in one room, you and your partner sleeping on a pull-out bed in the living room and you've been waiting to be re-housed for 16 months and the immigrant family next door is housed within 2 weeks are probably not inclined to give much of a shit about the broader perspective. That doesn't make them a bad person, just focused on their own concerns which we, on the left, tend to overlook in favour of the bigger picture.

almostblue · 21/08/2008 16:53

BTW, I don't celebrate Christmas - and I tell you what, it's damn near impossible to avoid the festival in this country. I really don't think it's in any danger...