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To think that ghosting a 30 year friendship is really fucking cruel

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Mumsfret1976 · 17/12/2022 11:56

I'm in the process of being ghosted from a very dear friend. Its so painful, I've spent months replaying conversations, things I could have said or done wrong. I've always done my best to be a good friend. Always been there to listen, to care. Always been interested in her DC. There's nothing I can pinpoint but after 2 years of slowly fading out of my life she's now cut me off.

I'm just left feeling confusing and hurt. I know it's out of my hands, I can't make someone want to be my friend anymore but she meant a lot to me. Its also come at a time of my own ill health and my dad's cancer diagnosis. She doesn't know about my Dad, I didn't want her to feel obliged to stay in my life if she didn't want to and she obviously doesn't.

Has this happened to anyone else? How did you get over it? I do have a couple of others friends and DH, DC and my parents so I'm not on my own but no one will ever replace her.

OP posts:
Namechangedfortodayspost · 18/12/2022 16:35

It's interesting; I was ghosted by someone who I cared about, but who I felt was pretty intense, draining and more self-absorbed than me. I have many flaws, but I'm definitely known as a giver and listener amongst friends, so I think I can say the above with a degree of self-awareness.

Anyway, I liked my friend a lot, though, we had history of 10 years, our partners hang out. Then I had a 'purple patch,' - some unexpected, very public, high profile creative success and (I genuinely believe) she couldn't engage with it. She wasn't happy for me or it triggered something in her. For six months after, she barely responded to my messages until one day she just said (in response to me asking if she wanted to meet up - six weeks after I messaged), thanks but no thanks, and goodbye....

LolaMoon · 18/12/2022 16:43

I think what I can no longer tolerate is the friends who look for the bad in life, the drama and upsets and then use meet ups to offload about those, rather than focus on having fun together as a way to alleviate the load. The friends who assume that every grievance or bump in the road they;ve experienced deserved someone else's undivided attention without even realising that everyone in the world has stresses and problems. We just do't all offload all the time

For sure. People who focus on negativity constantly and seem to enjoy playing the victim 24/7 are horrifically draining. As are friends who complain for years about the same problem won’t do anything about it and shoot down all and any suggestions to help. I can’t be around those people either.

HamBone · 18/12/2022 16:48

@Namechangedfortodayspost She clearly couldn't stand it when you were successful. You were useful to her in some way, but a real friend would've been happy for you.

I've actually said this to my BFF, who's always been careful not to mention anything that she thinks might hurt my feelings, e.g, if she's invited to something by mutual friends and I'm not. I've told her that I regard her like a sister and I'm always happy for her when something nice happens. Same with career successes, I'm not jealous when something goes well for her.

Being jealous and unable to be happy for people just makes you miserable, I can't be bothered with it.

Namechangedfortodayspost · 18/12/2022 16:52

HamBone · 18/12/2022 16:48

@Namechangedfortodayspost She clearly couldn't stand it when you were successful. You were useful to her in some way, but a real friend would've been happy for you.

I've actually said this to my BFF, who's always been careful not to mention anything that she thinks might hurt my feelings, e.g, if she's invited to something by mutual friends and I'm not. I've told her that I regard her like a sister and I'm always happy for her when something nice happens. Same with career successes, I'm not jealous when something goes well for her.

Being jealous and unable to be happy for people just makes you miserable, I can't be bothered with it.

Agreed. Even if it stirs up feelings - and I've been there, I've felt envy or I've compared myself to others - you need to push it down and be generous to others.

Lordofmyflies · 18/12/2022 17:00

It will get better OP and you will come out the other side, although it doesn't feel like it now. It is a grieving process - sadness, guilt then anger and resentment but it will end and your life will be better for it. I was ghosted by a very close friend of mine, after I was assaulted by another close friend's husband. I decided not to go to the Police but logged with incident with my GP and chose never have contact with the assailant and his wife again. Unfortunately, my ex-close friend felt that she wanted to continue socialising with all parties which I found very difficult, plus she was privy to me being depressed, anxious following the attack and not my 'fun' self. I think it was too much for her and so she ghosted me. Her choice. It hurt like hell but I can live with the fact that I did nothing wrong and perhaps she can't? I don't know, but live is calmer, peaceful and I have much more stable, enriching friendships as a result.

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 18/12/2022 18:05

I was devastated the first time I was ghosted. But looking back, it was fair enough - I doubt I'd have preferred to have been told she just didn't like me anymore. We'd found ourselves going in opposite directions on spiritual journeys and it was probably for the best.

I also think friendships where most of the moral support in one direction only get harder to tolerate as we get older. Unlike our 20s, we not only have our own stuff to deal with but also ageing or infirm parents, young people with SEN or MH issues, and burdens coming at us left right and centre. I certainly have a lot less bandwidth for my friends' problems now I have my parents' problems and my young adult children's problems to support.

That doesn't mean I'm not there for my friends and they aren't there for me. Just that there needs to be more balance now, and time for ther fun stuff as well as the heavy lifting. Being used as an emotional crutch just isn't possible anymore.

NewToWoo · 18/12/2022 20:56

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 18/12/2022 18:05

I was devastated the first time I was ghosted. But looking back, it was fair enough - I doubt I'd have preferred to have been told she just didn't like me anymore. We'd found ourselves going in opposite directions on spiritual journeys and it was probably for the best.

I also think friendships where most of the moral support in one direction only get harder to tolerate as we get older. Unlike our 20s, we not only have our own stuff to deal with but also ageing or infirm parents, young people with SEN or MH issues, and burdens coming at us left right and centre. I certainly have a lot less bandwidth for my friends' problems now I have my parents' problems and my young adult children's problems to support.

That doesn't mean I'm not there for my friends and they aren't there for me. Just that there needs to be more balance now, and time for ther fun stuff as well as the heavy lifting. Being used as an emotional crutch just isn't possible anymore.

Very well put. That was pretty much what I was trying to say earlier.

Blip · 18/12/2022 21:09

Hand hold to everyone going through this or who has gone through this as it is so very painful ❤️‍🩹

IroningQueen · 18/12/2022 21:35

I was ghosted a few years ago from someone I had been friends with for 30 years. Met at uni and then continued our friendship after we both married and had children. Then about 4 years ago she stopped responding to calls. Unable to work out what I had done wrong, I spent many hours torturing myself as to what I could have done to upset her.
Eventually I had to come to terms with the fact that she didn't want me as a friend any more.
Then 2 years ago she sent a Christmas card asking me to get in touch. She had had some difficult life events whilst we had been out of contact. In her note, she said she hoped I wasn't offended by her absence.
However, I just couldn't come back from how being ghosted made me feel. I haven't responded as I can't face thinking about all the confusion and hurt all over again.
You're absolutely right OP. Ghosting Is f**NG cruel. It was one of the most depressing things I have ever experienced.

Ineedtosleep79 · 18/12/2022 21:39

@IroningQueen it's unacceptable and shouldn't even be made out to be a thing..

Jennybeans401 · 18/12/2022 21:42

I'm sure you've not done anything wrong OP.it might be something to do with her life at the moment.its very painful though.

Southeastdweller · 18/12/2022 21:56

Let's not sugarcoat ghosting - it's cowardice, plain and simple. And yes, all those people on here saying they've done it are cowards. I get you want to end a relationship, it's up to you, but not even a text that's the same or similar to the one that @Salacia mentioned on the first page of this thread is just despicable, craven behaviour.

DuchessofSandwich · 18/12/2022 21:57

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 18/12/2022 08:51

I agree ghosting is like abuse. My 'friend' gave me her reasons for ghosting me and they were that I wasn't showing respect for her by being interested in Covid vaccine conspiracy theories. I would try to humour her really but then would ask about her life, her family anything else. Because of this she ghosted me yet other friends who would not be interested she didn't. I felt like she was 'holding me to ransom' trying to get me to be interested out of fear of losing our friendship

That's not ghosting though, she told you what bothered her so basically broke up the friendship. She's allowed to do that.

PurpleButterflyWings · 18/12/2022 22:47

Mumsfret1976 · 18/12/2022 13:20

I think there's a middle ground though. You could tactfully tell someone that you don't want to be their friend anymore without getting too personal. You could even block them once you've said it (if you were worried it would blow up).

We've all had relationship breakups. You don't ghost a partner (unless they're absusive/a danger). You can gently let someone down.

@Mumsfret1976

You really think telling someone - just out of the blue - that you don't want to be their friend anymore and then blocking them so they can't contact you is better than just cutting all contact/ghosting them?!

Hint: It's not. What you are suggesting is exactly the same.

To the people saying 'ooh ghosting is soooo cruel.' What else do you suggest ??? Seriously 'Umm hello friend. Sorry but you've become an irritating, whiny, miserable, boring mood hoover who pisses me off every time I hear your stupid voice and see your stupid face. Kindly fuck off out of my life.'

Another 'Hint:' there is no TACTFUL way to tell someone you don't want to be their friend anymore...... No. There really isn't. If you TRY to explain, without being harsh like I was there ^ your friend will only try and talk you out of it, and whine and moan and plead and emotionally blackmail you, and try to FIX it, by promising to be better, and not be so whiny etc.

At the point of ghosting someone, a person does not want to keep trying, because the 'friend' in question has tried their patience and frazzled their nerves one too many times, and the friendship is dead. You are effectively divorcing them/dumping them like an ex, and you have no kids or family together, so there is no need to keep in touch.

I cannot tell you what a relief it was to have the woman out of my life who I mentioned way back in the thread. (Yesterday - Saturday at 22.25.) She made me so anxious and stressed, and she was so rude and obnoxious, and intrusive, and wanted to be in my life EVERY DAY. She has made me not want to make new friends now.

I have a few friendly acquaintances/women in the village/work colleagues who I have a coffee with now and again, and 3 friends from many decades back who I see 3 or 4 times a year who live 30+ miles away, but the woman from my village who was so toxic (and her DH was as bad,) put me off having a close friend (who lives closeby,) in my life again!

thewinterwitch · 18/12/2022 22:58

At the point of ghosting someone, a person does not want to keep trying, because the 'friend' in question has tried their patience and frazzled their nerves one too many times, and the friendship is dead. You are effectively divorcing them/dumping them like an ex, and you have no kids or family together, so there is no need to keep in touch.

Yes. It is odd that one is "allowed" to end a long-term relationship, but ending a long friendship is heinous, apparently. For whatever reason - and I assume they are valid reasons - this friend of the OP's wants out. She tried to back away slowly, lessen contact, fade away, but that general hint was not accepted. I expect if she had the conversation many on this thread demand must be had to "not be a coward" it wouldn't go well for her, or the OP.

JubileeJ · 18/12/2022 23:02

I've name changed for this post.

I'm sorry you're going through this OP. It sounds so emotionally upsetting. As others have said, it seems that something has happened for her (not necessarily something major or life changing) that has meant your friendship just isn't what she wants any longer. It isn't/doesn't have to be a reflection on you, but this doesn't stop the feelings of missing her and wondering why what you thought was a lifetime of friendship can be stopped just like that when you'd never dream of it.

One thing that others have touched upon that I agree with (albeit not from a perspective of understanding!) is that 'ghosting' is quite often recommended when it comes to the end of romantic relationships. 'Taking a clean break' is seen as the done thing, by protocol. 'Don't be friends with exes, leave them be to get over you' 'Don't ask him/her for explanations-concentrate on your healing, their loss!' etc.

A friendship is a relationship. Of course it isn't that you'd go on dates, raise children, have sex. But it is a relationship with another person with as many similarities (or more!) as differences to a romantic one. You go out together, support each other, share time/space/activities, appreciate one another, help one another through life-yet we're taught ghosting isn't the done thing here when that ends.

Along these lines, I've not ghosted anyone, but I nearly have.

I have a friend whom I met online about 12 years ago. When I say met online, it was a hobby group (think walking group) so not 'designed' for online activity more so meet ups for similar interests. We met up as a group not long after this and as meetings continued obviously you kind of sidle off into little groups or twosomes of those you click better with.

And us two really did. We're both gay women. We were both from the same county (in fact our shared accent was what first became noticeable to one another!) although living in a different place (where meet ups took place) at the time. We learned that we both grew up in the same town, although I live quite far away from her now.

Over time we exchanged numbers and began to talk on the 'phone/video call a lot, we both loved nature, gardening, dogs, many other shared interests and things in common. We had the same (rather warped!) sense of humour and had many shared past experiences. I am making this sound almost whimsical and it wasn't like that at all-we didn't think it at the time, it wasn't ever discussed-we just seemed to click and enjoy one another's company a lot and I guess much of it was due to common ground.

I was in an awful relationship that was just about ending, at this time. I hadn't told anyone at all about how awful it was, I'd kept it all to myself. I was still in the closet to my family at this point so couldn't talk to them-and felt too silly to speak to friends who I'd known longer as I'd always implied all was fine.

This woman however hadn't ever liked my partner. She was rather intuitive and had picked up the difficulties I was going through although I hadn't said anything. I was very wary of confiding in her too, I was worried she had an ulterior motive. She continually quizzed me about things until I broke down and told her. She assured me she thought a lot of me but wasn't wanting anything from me just wanted to help.

It was a very difficult time. There were ex's (teenage) children involved , ex was physically and mentally abusive and SS became involved. I had a very stressful job in safeguarding and I'd wake up in the night learning one of the kids had ran away, ex had left again or there were shouting matches-I worried I'd lose my job-and friend got me through it all, and it was such a painful experience that I don't know how I'd have coped without her. I was and always will appreciate her for this.

It wasn't just one-sided. She had a very difficult problem involving family not long after this which I supported her through gladly. She was afraid (justifiably) and upset. I admit, I think she's been more there for me than the other way around, she's generally just a stronger, more independent person who's had a much harder life. But still, the laughter, support and enjoyment continued and we supported one another ongoing with various things too.

I did notice a controlling element to her however. It was as if whenever I didn't need her support, when things were going well for me, she didn't like it. She'd try to drag issues out of me that weren't there-if she rang and asked was I okay and I said yes I'd get a lot of 'Are you sure? You're not! Tell me what's wrong!'

About a year after my awful ex left me, she (ex) came over to get all her things out of the house we'd shared that I was now moving out of. Things were calm with ex and I now, her children all okay. I was very much looking forward to this, a day of closure. My friend was ringing me constantly, sending me shitty messages and passive aggressive ones 'hope you're having fun' 'You forget about me when she's there' etc etc. It made the day awful for me, a day I'd been looking forward to. This has happened more than once in several different situations. E.G once I was feeling better I went out with some friends and she rang me and hung up on me because I'd not told her where I was going and she was hoping to talk to me that night-obviously I didn't realise I was 'meant' to.

I am in a different relationship and have been for some years now. I almost 'ghosted' friend when I confided in her that I was having a few difficulties within this relationship. Her response was to tell me she's in love with me and I should be with her instead.

Not a nice thing to do on my part but I became very upset. I hated the thought that not only was I in a bad situation again, but I was also hurting my friend who I loved to bits.. I didn't find this easy to cope with. Friend took this badly by expressing that every time she opens up about her feelings, people take it negatively and I'd just done the same. I said 'But Jane, I am in a relationship? And we've been friends years-surely you know I don't feel that way about you and that I won't react how you want by dumping Sue and running to you? What good can come of you telling me this?' I didn't understand why she didn't know that.

She'd also around this time often 'need' me while I was with my partner. If I didn't speak to her for a few days she'd guilt trip me that I'd 'abandoned' her while I was 'out enjoying myself'.

I honestly thought for a while that it would be kinder to ghost. I couldn't give friend what she wanted from me, I don't feel attracted to her and I don't believe we'd ever work as anything other than friends. I was wary of confiding in her ( I obviously didn't' speak about my relationship again), thought perhaps if I cut her off she'd get over me and be able to free herself up and not focus on me any longer.
I haven't done it and we've muddled along okay. But there's an elephant in the 'room' and I often wonder if I shouldn't have just cut her off for her own sake as well as mine.

NoelNoNoel · 18/12/2022 23:03

I have had a really good rule for years that has worked really well. I’ll text, phone, make contact, suggest a meet up etc up to three times and if the person doesn’t seem to ever initiate contact or make suggestions to meet up then I realise we aren’t friends. I don’t mind doing about 2/3 of the work in a friendship but if it’s all one way then I can take a hint.

lifeinthehills · 18/12/2022 23:22

I've been on both sides. Sometimes people just grow apart due to a big shift in lifestyle. For example, one friend I was close with as a SAHM and then she went back to work full time and had to care for elderly parents starting at the same time, so I get that she was busy and had to make decisions for her time. I believe a value difference was what ultimately made her decide I wasn't a priority, but that's fine. Friendships start and end for all kinds of reasons.

After my child died, I made a conscious decision to quietly move on from anyone who hadn't contacted me to see how I was going during the first year. That included two people I would have considered close friends beforehand. Those people were not real friends and I ghosted the lot of them.

PurpleButterflyWings · 18/12/2022 23:25

Amazing and fascinating story. @JubileeJ Flowers Thanks so much for taking the time to write all that and share it with us. I'm so sorry you had so many problems with your ex, and it's pretty good that this friend you talk about was there...

But it certainly does sound like you need to be getting her out of your life now and it would be reasonable to ghost her. She sounds toxic. I don't know whether she's attracted to you, or whether she just feels jealous and slighted whenever you're with somebody else, friends or partner, whatever, because THEY are helping you and entertaining you etc. SO she feels left out? Still a bad reaction from her.

The fact she got all irked when you were just being pleasant and civil to your ex (when you were finding closure,) and she only seemed happy when you having problems......., well, that does sound like she is a little bit toxic.

What's that saying..... 'Friends stay for a reason, a season, or a lifetime.' Sounds like she was there for a reason, to help you for a bit AND have company herself. It doesn't really sound like she's very good for you now. I think I'd be giving her a very wide berth. God bless. Take care. 😘

JubileeJ · 18/12/2022 23:39

PurpleButterflyWings · 18/12/2022 23:25

Amazing and fascinating story. @JubileeJ Flowers Thanks so much for taking the time to write all that and share it with us. I'm so sorry you had so many problems with your ex, and it's pretty good that this friend you talk about was there...

But it certainly does sound like you need to be getting her out of your life now and it would be reasonable to ghost her. She sounds toxic. I don't know whether she's attracted to you, or whether she just feels jealous and slighted whenever you're with somebody else, friends or partner, whatever, because THEY are helping you and entertaining you etc. SO she feels left out? Still a bad reaction from her.

The fact she got all irked when you were just being pleasant and civil to your ex (when you were finding closure,) and she only seemed happy when you having problems......., well, that does sound like she is a little bit toxic.

What's that saying..... 'Friends stay for a reason, a season, or a lifetime.' Sounds like she was there for a reason, to help you for a bit AND have company herself. It doesn't really sound like she's very good for you now. I think I'd be giving her a very wide berth. God bless. Take care. 😘

Thank you. I do wonder what her version of events would be. I am sure I've not handled it the best I could at times, but I do feel I've done the best I could with whatever situation/information I had at the time and I have never implied I'd ever be with her in any way other than as friends.

It has come up more than once and always ends up with us both being upset-her because she just doesn't understand why I won't be with her and me because I love her and hate to feel I am hurting her. But the 'Reason, season, lifetime' thing is a very good point.

Doesn't help that I feel she doesn't really have anybody else.

I will think on it-I have also offered her a 'get out' in that I've said if It's painful to her to be my friend I will never think bad of her for going, I mean it. I'd LOVE to see her happy with someone else, or making new friends, generally enjoying life so I worry I am toxic for her too.

Never my intention obviously.

I suppose I'd never know without doing it but something in me feels that being a 'ghost' may have been/be the best course of action in that type of situation.
One reason I was reluctant is because she's estranged from her family and doesn't seem to really have anybody-a lot of people have 'left' or 'ghosted' her.

(Why do they call it 'ghosting'? Ghosts kind of hover about and don't leave-isn't that kind of the point of them?

PurpleButterflyWings · 18/12/2022 23:48

Some good points @JubileeJ You must do what's best for you. Smile

Also...

(Why do they call it 'ghosting'? Ghosts kind of hover about and don't leave-isn't that kind of the point of them?

GOOD QUESTION! Grin

PurpleButterflyWings · 18/12/2022 23:49

Maybe it's called GHOSTING because you can no longer see them! Grin

PurpleButterflyWings · 18/12/2022 23:49

Maybe it's called GHOSTING because you can no longer see them! Grin

PurpleButterflyWings · 18/12/2022 23:56

No idea why that posted twice. ^

PurpleButterflyWings · 18/12/2022 23:57

Sorry. Blush