To think that Henry VIII was an abusive physco

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And should be taught in school as such.

One of mine is being taught about this tosser in Secondary school history and I was appalled that it was treated with such blasé that he literally was an abuser.

So I had to retell the story not as someone to be revered or remembered well, but that this abuser killed some of his wives including the mother of his daughter Elizabeth I, had serial mistresses, gorged his way through Court like some oversized pimple set to burst and generally Gould not be taught as a good person.

He gave us Elizabeth I 😍

We knew that if he gave her a new hat for Christmas, she'd probably be alright.

Did you seriously believe that people had been taught that beheading his wives and several of his ministers and courtiers made him a cuddly, fun-loving monarch?

In those times it was pretty normal to treat /abuse your wife appallingly. Affairs of powerful men were almost expected, they were definately accepted. Powerful men were often powerful because of violence.

I think the beheading of wives makes it pretty clear he wasn't a nice man without going into details.

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On what planet? Kids lap up violence and torture! They could probably teach you a few things.... And school does not teach "facts" - facts are accurate and balanced and teach critical thinking. Selling sanitised versions of ruling class history from a "rulling class british" perspective is about as far away from facts as you can get.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I don't think there's ever been an especially nice monarch - though certainly many have been nicer than H8.

Maybe Jane Grey, but virtue of her unexpected inheritance and short tenure.

Did anyone else misread the title as
"To think that Harry was an abusive physco"

The facts? Which version of the 'facts'?

Didn't he have a fall from a horse when jousting or similar - which could explain his nasty behaviour.
We have had cruel wars and leaders throughout time - it isn't all kind and considerate now - people just claim it's kind and considerate. Russia v Ukraine anyone? Iran?

I saw the musical Six a couple of weeks ago - absolutely brilliant.
I would say that he was pretty much an arse and tbh that's how it's taught about in education.
He wasn't very nice. I don't think anyone thinks different.

Absolutely.

Abusive murdering misogynistic prick.

That’s interesting. I wonder what that’s based on as he was just a kid who had been in poor health for a long time and controlled by his uncle surely?

I think you're about 500 years too late with this news OP

Decent History teaching is about teaching students the unreliability of sources and bias and also the contexts within which events happened. It’s not a litany of facts . I suspect OP is not much of a historian or she’d spend her entire life in a permanent state of outrage.

@Ivyonafence Get off that fence Ivy!

It’s psycho. Anyway back then the “Divine right of Kings” was everything and human rights were not in existence. As a result, nobody cared.

Yes. I think he got a frontal lobe Injury.

Thank goodness for Protestantism and the church reforms brought in under Henry VIII and Cromwell. It served Henry's pursuit of a divorce, but was already a movement in Europe.
Hilary Mantel paraphrasing John Frith:
"The Eucharist is but bread.
Of penance we have no need,
Purgatory is an invention unfounded in Scripture."
Profound and liberating, yet still heretical at the time.

@BumWeasel I have the same view on the suffragettes.

Psycho

The problem with Henry VIII is that his reign was very complex. I've studied the Tudors up to degree level and still don't know everything. First of all you need to take some of his behaviours in context of the time. Firstly it was never a requirement that he would be faithful to his wives. Regal weddings at the time were all about forging alliances and producing heirs, so it was expected that he would have numerous mistresses.

secondly the misconception that he changed the country protestant, he didn't . He changed the country from Roman Catholicism to Catholicism.

The worst of his behaviour came after a hunting accident nearly killed him and most probably caused a brain injury as he certainly changed his behaviour after this point.

I could go on but I've probably written too much

Well thats a fast way of telling the whole Internet you don't know anything about religion or history....
How can you believe he invented protestantism? Have you not heard of Martin Luther?

YANBU, his wives were so interesting - yet we get the tired Catherine vs. Anne Boleyn trope with the focus on Henry being the "prize" at the end. All the wives were accomplished and fascinating, and often tragic. As Six the muscial puts it of Catherine Parr:So I sent that letter to my loveGot married to the kingBecame the one who survivedI've told you about my lifeThe final wifeBut why should that storyBe the one I have to sing aboutJust to win? I'm outThat's not my storyThere's so much moreRemember that I was a writerI wrote books and psalms and meditationsFought for female educationSo all my women could independentlyStudy scriptureI even got a woman to paint my pictureWhy can't I tell that story?'Cause in historyI'm fixed as one of sixAnd without himI disappearWe all disappear

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